Killing off long time characters

[timtonruben359]

Pansexual and gender fluid being acceptable doesnt mean we all become those things. That's not really how sexual attraction works.
Im talking in general here now and not for 7. I'm all for her character being gay or bi or just raffisexual.

I understand how sexual attraction works, thank you. Although we know (even know) that sexuality is a spectrum and is based not only on biology, but environment, situation, and cultural constructions. What I am saying that it is likely that in Star Trek's [fictional] timeline, constructions surrounding sexuality have likely changed. Humans are seen (well off screen lol) engaging in sexual relationships with beings that likely have vastly different sexual organs than our own. So it's very likely that definitions like straight/gay/bi/pan etc., wouldn't exist at least not in a manner we'd understand today. It's more likely people are attracted to other people regardless of what genitals they have going on. Of course that's not saying men & women don't still predominately have relations to propagate the species (though who knows what medical options would be available for people in the 24th century to have children), but Star Trek is a show being written in the present in a very heteronormative culture.

I do enjoy the pearl clutching by a lot of straight male Trek fans who freak at the very suggestion that their favourite characters are anything but straight as an arrow.

 

[flandry84]

I do enjoy the fact that they took this character,so much fetishised by a certain section of the fan base and now made her even more unattainable.

 

[fireproof78]

That'll show you! That imaginary girl that was waay out of reach is now extra out of your reach...

As if fetishization would stop just because the character is presented as not being straight. As fan activities go it's about as common as it is nonsensical.

 

[Tuskin38]

I do enjoy the fact that they took this character,so much fetishised by a certain section of the fan base and now made her even more unattainable.

If she's Bi or Pan, wouldn't that make her more attainable?

If she was real of course.

 

[Shikarnov]

Seven must have dumped Chakotay because she didn't want to be second fiddle to Janeway. And considering the ruthless, vengeful, take no prisoners Maquis leader Chakotay was quickly transformed into a subservient yes-man who unwaveringly helps Janeway destroy his only way of getting home once he meets her, Seven would have a point.

Let's not forget that a lot of the Maquis were former Starfleet who got wrapped up in politics. I can imagine many of them not being completely comfortable with the grittier style of their local allies. We have to remember that the DMZ was crawling with a bunch of people who deliberately chose to be on the fringe -- people who were separating themselves from the comforts of more established societies in favor of a different kind of life for themselves and their families. These people probably felt quite justified in vengeance and bigotry and, if they're at all like their counterparts today, probably disdained anything resembling critical thinking or egalitarian mindsets. Getting along with these allies, I'm sure, required more than a little moral flexibility (and patience) on Chakotay's part. But in the end, in spite of his family ties to a lost world, he still chose a Starfleet life, and was never going to willingly doom an entire species for his own comfort. That doesn't make him a yes man; it makes him a good man.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Since Seven was emotionally a child VOY, I think it's finding what she likes and it's as much evidence of her being bi as any gay person having smooched or more with the opposite gender is.

 

[Tuskin38]

Since Seven was emotionally a child VOY, I think it's finding what she likes and it's as much evidence of her being bi as any gay person having smooched or more with the opposite gender is.

Remember, in Admiral Janeway’s alternate future they stayed together a lot longer. So I think she had genuine feelings for him.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Remember, in Admiral Janeway’s alternate future they stayed together a lot longer. So I think she had genuine feelings for him.

Good point, I repressed most of my C/7 knowledge

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

. It's more likely people are attracted to other people regardless of what genitals they have going on

I get that in Trek future there will be a lot more people who don't identify as straight because all stigma will be gone but the removal of that stigma won't have all straight people wanting same gender sex or suddenly have gay people being attracted to the opposite sex. Most people will still be born how they are born

I do enjoy the pearl clutching by a lot of straight male Trek fans who freak at the very suggestion that their favourite characters are anything but straight as an arrow.

I hope this is not aimed at me