I have watched it man. I just see it for what it is and what its creator called it and not what we want it to be.
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I have watched it man. I just see it for what it is and what its creator called it and not what we want it to be.
Kirk-drift much?
This is the Kirk I recall, the one most people recall, that along with the over acting. I am not saying its bad, but at lest be honest about what it is. Star trek was a 1960's space action adventure show that sometimes touched on other subjects. But its heart, every week was action adventure, not drama.
I have decided to go through your post, because it literally includes every clich'e somebody who has never watched TOS would think about TOS base upon it's parodies:
Again: no. He met woman, but if he did so, it was a genuine affection. Think about Edith Keeler, the woman he loved, that he wasn't able to save. There are some instances where he willfully seduced alien woman to save his live (for example the green haired gladiator chick). But even then he came clear afterwards and tried to comfort her. And he didn't even bang her before that. Just kissed her, and created an emotional connection. Quite the opposite. He NEVER just "banged a chick" and then left.
Agin wrong. He fought quite often. Almost once an episode. But almost all of the time he fought to end the fight, not to win. That's why the few counter examples - like "Balance of Terror" - leave such a big mark. Because he was so against fighting, the stakes were infinitely higher when it became apparent to even Kirk, that he HAS to fight in those occasions.
Again: During the series he wasn't a rogue. That's a TOS-movie invention. Shatner-Kirk was as dutyful an officer as an army-veteran and police officer (Rodenberry) would envision.
Again: no. He was super by-the-books. Even in "For the wirld is hollow and I have touched the sky", he has a thoughtfull discussion with Spock why it's okay to violate the prime directive to save the people on the asteroid -because she doesn't apply- this time.
Again: no. He met woman, but if he did so, it was a genuine affection. Think about Edith Keeler, the woman he loved, that he wasn't able to save. There are some instances where he willfully seduced alien woman to save his live (for example the green haired gladiator chick). But even then he came clear afterwards and tried to comfort her. And he didn't even bang her before that. Just kissed her, and created an emotional connection. Quite the opposite. He NEVER just "banged a chick" and then left.
Agin wrong. He fought quite often. Almost once an episode. But almost all of the time he fought to end the fight, not to win. That's why the few counter examples - like "Balance of Terror" - leave such a big mark. Because he was so against fighting, the stakes were infinitely higher when it became apparent to even Kirk, that he HAS to fight in those occasions.
Okay, no complaints here.
THis is a science fiction show. In the 60s. What else should they have called it? A drama? They'd get laughed out of the room.
Yeah. THis is the part that is debatable. Visually definitely. But content-wise, the JJ-Abrams movies are IMO much closer to ENT.
And this is were you are clearly wrong. Watch it again. Memory is a tricky thing, especially when countless parodies and pop-culture want to convince you from something different
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Sigh, you want to call me a liar because I do not agree with you on the TOS? Why the freak would I lie about watching the TOS? Ya know what, I am just going to ignore you. If you want to call me a liar because I disagree with you over a freaking TV show, its not worth it.
You have a good day son.
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This one I give you fully!
This is 100% true!
But there are variations of "action adventure". TOS was always a bit more on the "adventure" side, with science heroes and explorers as main characters. Newer iterations, the JJ-movies included, usually fall more on the "action"-side of the spectrum, where an obvious villain has to be defeated. TOS never actually had classic "bad guys". Even the klingons were reasonable adversaries, with which some form of truce needed to be negotiated every time.
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No personal insults needed, nor did I wanted to hurl them at you. I'm not calling you a liar, just saying you might be misremembering some things. Which would be nothing to be ashamed of, as you remember TOS the way it (mostly) has entered pop culture. Just sayin' the original was actually quite different than most people remember it.
The "the Kirk most people recall" part might actually be true. That's called "popcultural osmosis". The parody becomes more familiar than the original. Even people that have watched the original fall victim to that, because suddenly other things become more emphasized in the public eye, even though they were never the defining features they were made out to be.
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Do it! You KNOW you WANT to...
[Palpatine]GIVE IN to your angerrrrrr...[/Palpatine]
Nah, it's more provocative this way, which was kind of the point.
I've seen this said a lot, and I've come to realize how much I disagree with it. Sure, there are some minor irrelevant elements that were introduced way back that should be ignored, especially if they get in the way of a good story. But changing things with no regard for history strikes me as disrespectful to the original writers. Sometimes the strongest stories are built out of continuity (TWOK, FC.) For all the hatred that was spewed at J.J. and his team, they found a way to tell new stories and still respect continuity.
SpaceyEh, eh. See what I did there?
It's also utter nonsense of course.
Until the show comes out we won't know. And then you can all point to it as an example of how wrong I was, which I'll willingly admit if it's the case. Besides there's far more nonsensical threads on this forum.
Wow talk about an overreaction.
He kept saying I had not watched it, even though I stated 3 times I had. This is calling me a liar just because I did not agree with him.
How dare they sell a product...
I wish they sold more. Maybe then I wouldn't see TNG everywhere.
Fixed it for you.
Please do.
No need to get personal. @Rahul explained himself.
I simply walked away. I did not get personal. I felt someone was calling me a liar and simply dropped out and told him to have a good day.
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