Kelvin Timeline all but confirmed
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Hmm...that kind of depends on what else you're holding.
CBS knows that; they're finessing this.
The Abrams films have showed them that they can successfully be completely discontinuous with oldTrek, and all they have to do for now is to occasionally tweet out stuff like "true prequel."
Is it still, though?
I'm not saying the show still can't be good with these restrictions but why place them on yourself when you don't have to? If this show wants to separate itself and do something really different it's nice to know you can do it. I think fans would love to have a show were almost anything you can imagine might happen.
Jason
Here's something that will work for everyone. The aesthetic and FX of Star Trek depends on the decade in which it's produced. Why? Because it's a glimpse of the future! And the DTI intervenes and filters it to ensure that what we see of the future isn't REALLY what it looks like, but only a projection of how our current technology might evolve in the future.
The actual look of Star Trek won't actually be seen until the 23rd century.
Right?
The actual look of Star Trek won't actually be seen until the 23rd century.
Right?
You're all forgetting that Mister Fuller originally stated that this show was built around "an event" mentioned in other series, but never fully elaborated on. That's previous continuity, isn't it? We don't quite know what it is, but we've got it. And Harry Mudd, too.
Personally, I'm happy for the adventure/discovery/danger to mostly be to the crew and ship/s. But you're probably right, a lot of people would prefer big events.
Give me a break:Star Trek hasn't born more than a passing resemblance to "The Cage" since at least TMP. It's LONG since moved on from trying to re-capture that style.
In fact, with Star Trek already being well over fifty years old, expecting it to in any way start mimicking its styles in the 60s or even in the mid 70s would be an exercise in extreme futility. It would be like going to an apple store and asking "What's the modern equivalent of the Apple IIe?" and then getting mad when they show you an iMac.
I don't see how. The overall style and look still fits. It's just that you're looking at the equivalent of FIFTY SEASONS of development, which is a pretty radical change.
The only other real comparison would actually be something with similar longevity like, say, Doctor Who.
There's the Tardis:
And then there's the Tardis:
^ And this one is far closer to the ORIGINAL aesthetic than any of its previous incarnations.
Just saying: You can nod to the originals in various ways, but you can't just run back to what came before as if nothing new should ever exist. That would be boring as hell.
Directly and explicitly copied TOS styles, costumes and prop designs in an episode whose entire premise was sold on the fanbase's nostalgia? That's good for an episode or two (Doctor Who also does this occasionally; no TV show that's on the air as long as either of these can avoid it), but you can't build a whole TV series on nostalgia.
Well, scratch that... you obviously CAN. That doesn't mean you SHOULD.
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Yes that looks really close to the original 1963 Dr. Who...oh, wait...
In fact here's a bunch of various Tardis interiors over the years :
https://www.google.com/search?q=Doc...yfjTAhVIw1QKHV3UAZkQ_AUICigB&biw=1596&bih=930
LOL you're serious!!!
So... which Doctor is this again?
They re-wrote the origin of the Daleks THREE TIMES in the same series, no explanation for this whatsoever, and they've yet to reconcile those changes or even seriously acknowledge them, and that's before we even BEGIN to talk about the Cushing movies. They also keep forgetting/rectoning/ignoring the Dalek invasions of Earth since every time it happens (and it happens ALOT) nobody seems to remember it afterwards and seems surprised when it happens again.
By that standard, Star Trek styles seem pretty organic to me. The ship has a bridge, the captain sits in a big chair in the middle, the uniforms have the delta on the front, there are hallways, turbolifts, shuttlecraft, phasers and photon torpedoes. From what I can see, Discovery is to the TOS Enterprise what the current Tardis is to the 1960s control room.
There aren't any mainstream sci-fi franchise that are so frozen in time as you would prefer Star Trek to be. The only one that comes close is Star Wars, and this seems to be because their set and costume designs translate surprisingly well from one generation to the next.
Very true. But this is a thread about Star Trek, not the X-Men films.
For me it might not even be big events but maybe something as simple as killing Sarek or maybe have Kirk already serving on the Enterprise but not as captain. I do find it intresting in seeing how fans react to canon violations. Sometimes we accept them as if the orginal idea didn't happen or we find away to accept the change in our head-canon and sometimes the change is so bad we hate it and don't forgive it. At least by not putting this in the prime universe I think people would care less about the details and more about whether or not the show feels like a Trek show.
Jason
Amusingly, this is all supposed to be the same room on the same ship. Yeah, sure, Timelord technology is super advanced and the ship can literally reconfigure itself, but the same people who can accept a starship radically changing its entire interior ten different times somehow can't accept ten different starships in four different eras all having different technology and uniform designs?Give me a break:
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Yes that looks really close to the original 1963 Dr. Who...oh, wait...
To be fair if you had 2 starships set around the same timeline you would expect for things to look more similar than different. Using your example a 2007 Dodge truck would look like a truck and 2017 Dodge Truck would be a hovercraft with laser beams. It would be hard to buy that these things exist in the same world.Amusingly, this is all supposed to be the same room on the same ship. Yeah, sure, Timelord technology is super advanced and the ship can literally reconfigure itself, but the same people who can accept a starship radically changing its entire interior ten different times somehow can't accept ten different starships in four different eras all having different technology and uniform designs?
Jason
The Cushing movies are most definitely seperate. They have discussed the invasions. Again there have been plenty of lines to that explain stuff in Dr. who. In fact part of the invasion you speak of was wiped from the continuity. I forgot what ep eluded to things being wiped. It's been a while. Never said who Continuity was perfect but it most certainly does respect what came before better than current Trek does with its visual Continuity.LOL you're serious!!!
So... which Doctor is this again?
They re-wrote the origin of the Daleks THREE TIMES in the same series, no explanation for this whatsoever, and they've yet to reconcile those changes or even seriously acknowledge them, and that's before we even BEGIN to talk about the Cushing movies. They also keep forgetting/rectoning/ignoring the Dalek invasions of Earth since every time it happens (and it happens ALOT) nobody seems to remember it afterwards and seems surprised when it happens again.
By that standard, Star Trek styles seem pretty organic to me. The ship has a bridge, the captain sits in a big chair in the middle, the uniforms have the delta on the front, there are hallways, turbolifts, shuttlecraft, phasers and photon torpedoes. From what I can see, Discovery is to the TOS Enterprise what the current Tardis is to the 1960s control room.
There aren't any mainstream sci-fi franchise that are so frozen in time as you would prefer Star Trek to be. The only one that comes close is Star Wars, and this seems to be because their set and costume designs translate surprisingly well from one generation to the next.
Very true. But this is a thread about Star Trek, not the X-Men films.
And AGAIN I and many others are not saying it has to be stuck in THE TOS look. Sfx, ship designs etc..need a subtle updates. But there still is no way Visually discovery fits in with the cage and TOS. There is no way to reconcile it. Again a uniform closer to the ones used in Abrahms trek but with the cage colors. A more linear interior design. Klingons didn't have to be changed. ST:ENT used both smoothy and bumpy versions to good effect. Now we have a third look to deal with. The other Trek series have reinforced the look of TOS as part of continuity. This show is close enough to that time that they should have had some visual cues. A yellow shirt is not 1960's, for instance. They could have done a contemporary look based on TOS but chose not to and I think it's gonna hurt them. They should have done a show post voyager and moved it forward. This will probably be the shortest live action Trek series. I have no doubt....
Amusingly, this is all supposed to be the same room on the same ship. Yeah, sure, Timelord technology is super advanced and the ship can literally reconfigure itself, but the same people who can accept a starship radically changing its entire interior ten different times somehow can't accept ten different starships in four different eras all having different technology and uniform designs?
I do believe It's been established that the Tardis has several control rooms...
Why would you expect that?
This is the CIC of a Russian (Soviet) warship:
And this is its American counterpart about ten years later:
Difference in technology, interfaces, layouts, etc. You wouldn't expect them to look identical because the bridge, like everything else, is designed by different people with different engineering solutions to the same kinds of problems.
I don't know about hovercraft, but some cars are already equipped with frickin laser beams.
I live in a house that is 120 years old. Believe me when I tell you, old things and new things have no trouble coexisting.
Why would you expect that?
This is the CIC of a Russian (Soviet) warship:
And this is its American counterpart about ten years later:
Difference in technology, interfaces, layouts, etc. You wouldn't expect them to look identical because the bridge, like everything else, is designed by different people with different engineering solutions to the same kinds of problems.
I don't know about hovercraft, but some cars are already equipped with frickin laser beams.
I live in a house that is 120 years old. Believe me when I tell you, old things and new things have no trouble coexisting.
Except that Discovery takes place ten yewrs before TOS, not after, and the Enterprise is routinely implied to be on the cutting edge of technology - lack of cloaking aside - throughout TOS (and every other Constition-Class Starfleet vessel shown in the series is virtually identical to the NCC-1701).
Riiiiiight. That's why they're calling it a direct prequel. What color is your sky?
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