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Kelvin Timeline all but confirmed

There are no timeline issues because it's a "reimagining®"

If it's a "reimagining®", then it simply isn't set in the original TOS-ENT/1966-2005 timeline. Some overtures have to be made to impart this, otherwise, it is a separate universe, but perhaps the programme will indeed make efforts to associate it with the preceding Trek shows. Only the episodes themselves will tell.
 
Again no one is saying it needs to be filmed , lighted, sfx'ed like TOS. BUT it needs to share some visual cues with as least the cage. Uniforms would have been a good start.
Star Trek hasn't born more than a passing resemblance to "The Cage" since at least TMP. It's LONG since moved on from trying to re-capture that style.

In fact, with Star Trek already being well over fifty years old, expecting it to in any way start mimicking its styles in the 60s or even in the mid 70s would be an exercise in extreme futility. It would be like going to an apple store and asking "What's the modern equivalent of the Apple IIe?" and then getting mad when they show you an iMac.

Look at the show Bonanza for example. It's filming style changed over the course of 14 season and less sound stages were used. Michael Landon grew his hair long.lol We're it was filmed was changed. But overall style and look still fit. So would it have hurt to have a more consistent feel with this one?
I don't see how. The overall style and look still fits. It's just that you're looking at the equivalent of FIFTY SEASONS of development, which is a pretty radical change.

The only other real comparison would actually be something with similar longevity like, say, Doctor Who.

There's the Tardis:
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And then there's the Tardis:
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^ And this one is far closer to the ORIGINAL aesthetic than any of its previous incarnations.

Just saying: You can nod to the originals in various ways, but you can't just run back to what came before as if nothing new should ever exist. That would be boring as hell.

look at what ST:ENT did in a mirror darkly with the TOS sets, costumes,props and sfx....
Directly and explicitly copied TOS styles, costumes and prop designs in an episode whose entire premise was sold on the fanbase's nostalgia? That's good for an episode or two (Doctor Who also does this occasionally; no TV show that's on the air as long as either of these can avoid it), but you can't build a whole TV series on nostalgia.

Well, scratch that... you obviously CAN. That doesn't mean you SHOULD.
 
Star Trek is such a disjointed mess. I now wish we had gotten a clean reboot with no ties to any other Trek Continuity. That's the way Abrahms should have gone. Yet they just had to tie it into established Continuity and make it more of a mess than what it was. Now we have this..lol.
Perhaps one day we will see a clean. Reboot. But for now Trek is kinda in the past for me. Hopefully that new Lost in Space will offer something good...it's a total reboot....
 
I just treat it like superhero stuff. Sometimes the aesthetics change, some I like more than others, but at the end of the day I only really care about the stories they tell.
 
If it's a "reimagining®", then it simply isn't set in the original TOS-ENT/1966-2005 timeline.

That's right.

But hey, didn't the top of that communicator look a little bit like something from "The Cage?" That proves it!!! :guffaw:
 
Star Trek is such a disjointed mess. I now wish we had gotten a clean reboot with no ties to any other Trek Continuity. That's the way Abrahms should have gone. Yet they just had to tie it into established Continuity and make it more of a mess than what it was. Now we have this..lol.
Perhaps one day we will see a clean. Reboot. But for now Trek is kinda in the past for me. Hopefully that new Lost in Space will offer something good...it's a total reboot....
I answered this in another thread: these timelines are so vague as how they exist that one could see the reboot movies and Discovery being completely separate with very little problem.
 
Star Trek hasn't born more than a passing resemblance to "The Cage" since at least TMP. It's LONG since moved on from trying to re-capture that style.

In fact, with Star Trek already being well over fifty years old, expecting it to in any way start mimicking its styles in the 60s or even in the mid 70s would be an exercise in extreme futility. It would be like going to an apple store and asking "What's the modern equivalent of the Apple IIe?" and then getting mad when they show you an iMac.


I don't see how. The overall style and look still fits. It's just that you're looking at the equivalent of FIFTY SEASONS of development, which is a pretty radical change.

The only other real comparison would actually be something with similar longevity like, say, Doctor Who.

There's the Tardis:
room25.jpg


And then there's the Tardis:
p00pqhp1.jpg


^ And this one is far closer to the ORIGINAL aesthetic than any of its previous incarnations.

Just saying: You can nod to the originals in various ways, but you can't just run back to what came before as if nothing new should ever exist. That would be boring as hell.


Directly and explicitly copied TOS styles, costumes and prop designs in an episode whose entire premise was sold on the fanbase's nostalgia? That's good for an episode or two (Doctor Who also does this occasionally; no TV show that's on the air as long as either of these can avoid it), but you can't build a whole TV series on nostalgia.

Well, scratch that... you obviously CAN. That doesn't mean you SHOULD.

Dr. Who actually does a better job of respecting established Continuity better than Trek ever did. Written and Visual.
 
It kinda does. Since TV is a visual medium, the "look" is a huge part of the equation.
The look is based on the technology available when the show is produced.

If that's not enough for you--you need to remember that the Kelvin is a ship built in the prime timeline! So, it makes sense for the Discovery to look like the Kelvin because it IS the prime timeline! :guffaw: Ooops!
 
Here is what I think. I am in the camp that for the most part it doesn't matter which timeline it is in with one exception. In the prime universe you can usually play fast and loose with both canon and even the overall look such as aliens looking slightly different than maybe how they use to look and the tech and outfits can also go through minor alterations.
The biggest concern for me in labeling a universe is the big huge canon violation that isn't so easy to just ignore. By putting this in the prime universe it means you can't do something super bold like destroying Vulcan maybe have a Federation civil war.
That's why it seems dumb to me to make this feel like Kelvin Universe and then throw away a good thing about the Kelvin Universe and that is the ability to do any story you want without it ruining canon.
As for Fuller saying this is prime universe and using it as proof that it's set in that universe doesn't it seem possible that he was just lying to get old school fans intrested again in Trek? I know many didn't like the Kelvin Universe movies, though I personally loved them,so maybe he felt he could get older fans intrested by using the prime universe bait but also keep newer fans by making the show still feel like the new movies.

Jason
 
Just a reminder to everyone, it was never stated that this show was set in the Prime Universe, all that was said was that it was not set in the Kelvin Timeline, which still proves the OP wrong.
They've stated it's a direct prequel to TOS. So, a remimagining but same timeline.
 
I literally just laughed out loud at seeing the words "respecting established continuity" and "Doctor Who" in the same sentence.

I didn't say there aren't issues with it. But it is after all a pure time travel show. But still it has done a better job. The TARDIS is still blue and a police public call box for instance. Visually the Tardis still looks very much they way it has for 50 years but with subtle updates. The doctor still regenerates. Yes there have been contradictory and retconned story elements.(some which have been explained away in story) Again no one is saying we can't have touch screens, different uniforms etc. but make it seem like a natural organic fit. They never do this with Trek. No matter how people spin it or explain it away. It will always feel like a cobbled mess and it gets worse with each new movie or series. No respect is given to what was established before. Did we really need yet another version of the Klingons?
 
By putting this in the prime universe it means you can't do something super bold like destroying Vulcan
So what? They never did that in the prime timeline before and we all enjoyed the stories just fine. You don't need to have a galactic upheaval to tell a good story.
 
The look is based on the technology available when the show is produced.

If that's not enough for you--you need to remember that the Kelvin is a ship built in the prime timeline! So, it makes sense for the Discovery to look like the Kelvin because it IS the prime timeline! :guffaw: Ooops!

Kelvin is not in the so-called "Prime" timeline.

If I play the idiot card do I automatically win the argument?
 
I didn't say there aren't issues with it. But it is after all a pure time travel show. But still it has done a better job. The TARDIS is still blue and a police public call box for instance. Visually the Tardis still looks very much they way it has for 50 years but with subtle updates. The doctor still regenerates. Yes there have been contradictory and retconned story elements.(some which have been explained away in story) Again no one is saying we can't have touch screens, different uniforms etc. but make it seem like a natural organic fit. They never do this with Trek. No matter how people spin it or explain it away. It will always feel like a cobbled mess and it gets worse with each new movie or series. No respect is given to what was established before. Did we really need yet another version of the Klingons?

...let alone a fifth version (or sixth, depending upon whether or not you consider the Star Trek VI Klingons as a different variety from the III-V/TNG-ENT kind).
 
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