Justice League official "Zack Snyder" cut on HBO Max

[thribs]

Multiverse is correct.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Overall it flows nicely from scene to scene and we get decent introductions to the various supporting cast members, including Mera and Victor. It honestly seems like a completely different movie to me--at least I remember this.

Yes, its quite a different film than Whedon's version. The time needed to continue to build on the overall journey of the principals and the threats were all so well delivered, and not the immature dreck that was the theatrical version.

 

[JD]

I think the best way to refer to the events of JL would be to keep it vague enough to refer to either versions, so fans can take it as a reference to whichever version the prefer.

 

[thribs]

The question you should be asking is does Barry have his hero name yet? We know in Crisis he hears the name for the first time but I doubt that’s “canon”.

 

[Mudd]

An interesting footnote to all this is that Snyder wanted to do the "new guy" reveal with John Stewart as Green Lantern rather than Martian Manhunter, and according to him, Warners nixed that because they already have plans for him and "want to do their own reveal."

Of course that may have been in 2018 or thereabouts - according to The Wrap, Snyder's been talking up the Manhunter since 2019.

 

[theenglish]

I think the best way to refer to the events of JL would be to keep it vague enough to refer to either versions, so fans can take it as a reference to whichever version the prefer.

Exactly, I would add that they can reference events in either movie so long as those events are not contradicted by the other version. For example, Arthur saying "you called me the fish guy (or guy who talks to fish?)" obviously doesn't happen in Snyder's version, but Flash could certainly reference how he first met Iris.

 

[Mudd]

Or they could reference both. Flashpoint obviously introduces the multiverse (or whatever it’s called in DC) and could see both.

I guess the multiverse will be the DCEU's "get out of jail card" the same way it is in the comics and on TV.

 

[N-121973]

The question you should be asking is does Barry have his hero name yet? We know in Crisis he hears the name for the first time but I doubt that’s “canon”.

My understanding that the CW's Crisis is canon and that's the get out of jail-free card. Pre-Crisis its the Snyder Cut because of visual similarities with BVS UC and Post-Crisis when Oliver Queen/Spectre rebooted the multiverse it was the Whedon Cut.

 

[Mudd]

Well, CW is its own canon. Doesn't match the movies or the comics.

Warners and Snyder say his version isn't canon, period.

 

[Campe]

I think that all of this multiverse discussion makes the conversation around canon meaningless. There will however be an important distinction between various continuities.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

That still depends on what is recognized and what is not. For example, I doubt the 70s Wonder Woman TV series, or the disaster that was Legends of the Superheroes will be referred to / used / accepted as part of the official DCEU narrative.

 

[F. King Daniel]

That still depends on what is recognized and what is not. For example, I doubt the 70s Wonder Woman TV series, or the disaster that was Legends of the Superheroes will be referred to / used / accepted as part of the official DCEU narrative.

No but they're all accepted as being part of the same multiverse and can cross over whenever. Like, who ever thought we'd see Michael Keaton's Batman ever again? It's totally bonkers. Anything can happen.

I doubt they'll be anything other than super vague about which version of Justice League happened to Barry in this movie. Of course if it's the Snyder Cut version, whenever things go to shit everyone will just make the Superman: The Movie jokes about time travel to fix it.

 

[Campe]

Exactly. Just because a door is opened doesn’t mean one needs to go through it. But it allows for the possibility. Which sometimes honestly is far more exciting than the execution.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

No but they're all accepted as being part of the same multiverse and can cross over whenever. Like, who ever thought we'd see Michael Keaton's Batman ever again? It's totally bonkers. Anything can happen.

As far as the DCEU is concerned, its only considering another serious production ('89 Batman), not say, anything from the awful Superman IV: The Quest for Peace, the 1949 Batman and Robin serial, the 1974 Wonder Woman TV movie (Cathy Lee Crosby), Schumacher's Bat-films, or the aforementioned TV productions. Its not hard to imagine that there's a cutoff of what is acceptable and what is not.

 

[Guy Gardener]

My understanding that the CW's Crisis is canon and that's the get out of jail-free card. Pre-Crisis its the Snyder Cut because of visual similarities with BVS UC and Post-Crisis when Oliver Queen/Spectre rebooted the multiverse it was the Whedon Cut.

Oliver killed Darkseid, but left Steppenwolf and Apokalips in play.

Wierd choices.

 

[N-121973]

Well, CW is its own canon. Doesn't match the movies or the comics.

Warners and Snyder say his version isn't canon, period.

I'm pretty certain at last year's Fandome that DC said that CW's COIE was canon across the multiverse or at least implied as such.

Oliver killed Darkseid, but left Steppenwolf and Apokalips in play.

Wierd choices.

I think Apokalips is outside of the multiverse and wasn't affected by the Anti-Monitor or Spectre.

Spoiler

And Oliver did save Cyborg's father

 

[Saul]

Snyder signs first look deal with Netflix. This is pretty much it for the Snyder DC Universe.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/m...igns-first-look-film-deal-netflix-1234986047/

 

[Tosk]

I hope he makes nothing but Army of the Dead movies and spin-offs for years to come!

 

[theenglish]

I bet Snyder could do a good job with Jupiter's Legacy and its spin offs. If he wanted that, I am 100% positive Netflix would give it a second season.

 

[Noname Given]

I bet Snyder could do a good job with Jupiter's Legacy and its spin offs. If he wanted that, I am 100% positive Netflix would give it a second season.

I kind of doubt Netflix wants to throw away another ,$200 million. They didn't have that money to spare in the first place.