Justice League official "Zack Snyder" cut on HBO Max
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Little fun fact: in Italy Battle Beyond the Stars was renamed The Magnificent Seven In Outer Space (I Magnifici Sette Nello Spazio)
Gonna try this again: How do you figure this same director made your much-admired Man of Steel? Did Snyder just luck into that one, did it somehow succeed in spite of him, or what?
Not directed at me...but sometimes they do mess up the 2nd time. I thought Bryan Singer did a great job with X Men, ànd felt he had the right mix modernization and comic book ness, and really had high hopes for Superman Returns, but it was just ok.
Also, having "freedom" can sometimes mean not getting the right checks and balances or correct boundaries
Goddamn thing refused to end - the long pointless, self-indulgent nightmare epilogue, and the Martian Manhunter incessntly popping in and out.
Don't know who Snyder thought would pay money to sit through this mess after the opening weekend.
Some of the extra stuff with Superman was fun to see. That and Barry were all this version had going for it.
Don't know who Snyder thought would pay money to sit through this mess after the opening weekend.
Some of the extra stuff with Superman was fun to see. That and Barry were all this version had going for it.
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Too many people who know better than to throw good money after bad.
Boring people you mean?
Boring people you mean?
People who thought hiring Whedon to turn JL into another version of his heartless, quip-battered Avengers movies was the way to go, when clearly it was not. It was one of the worst studio decisions since Clouse was hired to "finish" Game of Death, with the results being just as disastrous, thoughtless and lacking the original creative vision, which--in no surprise--was markedly superior, as ZSJL is over the Whedon film.
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I just started watching this yesterday. I despised the 2017 version and realized that this version is divided into chapters--so I decided to watch a chapter at a time.
Watched the first chapter and I have to say that the only scene I remember was Bruce Wayne seeking out Arthur. I have the vaguest recollection of the Amazons fighting Steppenwolf.
The first 40 minutes are actually really good. Wonder Woman fighting the terrorist group was really well done and showed off powers WW actually has in the comics (no lightning swinging) and shows her to be really powerful. The scene with Bruce and Arthur works much better in this version--Bruce comes across as serious and driven. The Amazon fight was pretty exciting and really showcased Steppenwolf's power.
Overall it flows nicely from scene to scene and we get decent introductions to the various supporting cast members, including Mera and Victor. It honestly seems like a completely different movie to me--at least I remember this.
Watched the first chapter and I have to say that the only scene I remember was Bruce Wayne seeking out Arthur. I have the vaguest recollection of the Amazons fighting Steppenwolf.
The first 40 minutes are actually really good. Wonder Woman fighting the terrorist group was really well done and showed off powers WW actually has in the comics (no lightning swinging) and shows her to be really powerful. The scene with Bruce and Arthur works much better in this version--Bruce comes across as serious and driven. The Amazon fight was pretty exciting and really showcased Steppenwolf's power.
Overall it flows nicely from scene to scene and we get decent introductions to the various supporting cast members, including Mera and Victor. It honestly seems like a completely different movie to me--at least I remember this.
I thought the last two hours were a slight improvement over the first two because they were less static. I was intrigued to see the original version of Lois and Clark's story, to see exactly how it was repurposed in the final film. On a few hours reflection I may like Snyder's version of it better, but miss some of Whedon's dialogue.
I think Snyder's version of their romance throughout the three films is probably my favorite part of his version of the Superman story. Though Tulloch has supplanted Adams in my heart.
The best scene in the movie remains Barry's rescue of Iris. There, Snyder's stylistic eccentricities work.
I think Snyder's version of their romance throughout the three films is probably my favorite part of his version of the Superman story. Though Tulloch has supplanted Adams in my heart.
The best scene in the movie remains Barry's rescue of Iris. There, Snyder's stylistic eccentricities work.
All of this.
Tulloch and Adams are the best Loises ever because they're the most believable and human versions. Trying to ground Superman or make him "realistic" is a dicey proposition at best (though Superman & Lois does a pretty damn good job of it). But a more realistic approach serves Lois well, because her role in the Superman narrative is to be Clark's most profound and personal connection to humanity, so the more human she is, the better.
It's easy to portray Lois as a collection of character traits and tics -- driven, reckless, fearless, aggressive, etc. And she should be all those things, but if that's all she is, she can become more caricature than character. There's a bit of that in Kidder's version, for example (though I love her, and she's perfect for the particular style and tone of those films). But Tulloch and Adams make Lois a whole, dimensional person in a way she's rarely been before.
All the way to the bank for about a century.Boring people you mean?
Do you have any idea how much money Warners has made from their superhero movies since, oh, Harry Potter ended for them?
"Less than Marvel" or variations thereof will receive a failing grade as unresponsive.
I'm going to back up a bit here and say how impressive and admirable an effort this was on Snyder's part. Amongst the directors who work in the big budget canning plants he's one of the most imaginative and unusual.
But the movie's got about hundred problems. It's got a few good bits but it's not good, and Warners was right to deep-six it. This thing wasn't brought down by one or snap executive turn-arounds; just about everybody who looked at it knew it didn't work.
But the movie's got about hundred problems. It's got a few good bits but it's not good, and Warners was right to deep-six it. This thing wasn't brought down by one or snap executive turn-arounds; just about everybody who looked at it knew it didn't work.
There's no debate as to how little those polls matter to anyone in Hollywood other than ad copywriters who can use a good rating to pump up the promotion.
There's also no debate about whether all those frantic clickers can make a bad movie like Snyder Uncut into a good one.
(SPOILERS: They don't, and can't.)
It was mildly interesting to read that Snyder agreed with Warners to state publicly that his version is "non-canon " whatever the hell that means.
It means events from the cut won't be referenced in the Flash movie. Simple. Kind of like comparing the two cuts - simple.
Or they could reference both. Flashpoint obviously introduces the multiverse (or whatever it’s called in DC) and could see both.
Actually that's a good point. So much for simple...
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