Spoilers Justice League - Grading and Discussion

[LJones41]

If WB were as dissatisfied with Snyder as certain groups of people claim, they could have fired him outright at any point during the film's production save for the final month or so of shooting.

The very fact that they didn't is in itself a death knell to the idea that WB was in fact dissatisfied with him, but certain people clearly dont actually care about what is factual and would rather cling to whatever narrative best lines up with their own opinions.

I don't think Zack Snyder was the problem for this movie. I believe that the WB suits and Joss Whedon were the real problems . . . at least for me. They chopped it up a bit too much. In fact, the movie reminds me of "Age of Ultron" in many respects - with the exception of the running time and that the Marvel film only had one director.

I also don't understand this attitude about the "darker aspects" of Snyder's DCEU films. I mean . . . so what? Even the MCU had its more grim movies.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

I suppose there were the "Pet Semetary" jokes and a few other bits but it mostly seemed to be confined to the Flash and only in a few scenes. Far less than what we've come to expect from a genuine Whedon project. Though it's possible that the studio cut out a lot of the more excessive Whedonisms, perhaps because they clashed with the existing Snyder material. IIRC, the first Batman scene originally had a lot more jokey dialogue between Batman and that criminal on the rooftop which got cut from the final film.

 

[dahj]

I suppose there were the "Pet Semetary" jokes and a few other bits but it mostly seemed to be confined to the Flash and only in a few scenes.

There's way more than that, they're shoved in almost everywhere... "Jesus, he's tall", "I didn't bring a sword/pitchfork", "I don't... not...", "thirstiest reporter", "itchy coffin", "big fan of justice", "brunch thing", "Dostoevsky"...

 

[Tosk]

There's way more than that, they're shoved in almost everywhere... "Jesus, he's tall", "I don't... not..."

For me, the Batman re-shoots were just the worst. Not funny, out of established character, and too often said to no one. Oh Batman, so wacky making jokes to yourself. Scalliwag.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

I suppose there were the "Pet Semetary" jokes and a few other bits but it mostly seemed to be confined to the Flash and only in a few scenes. Far less than what we've come to expect from a genuine Whedon project. Though it's possible that the studio cut out a lot of the more excessive Whedonisms, perhaps because they clashed with the existing Snyder material. IIRC, the first Batman scene originally had a lot more jokey dialogue between Batman and that criminal on the rooftop which got cut from the final film.

Oh no. The Whedonisms were totally there. Joss Whedon, film maker, extraordinaire! Haha

 

[LJones41]

Thank God, he's not directing Batgirl. I still haven't forgiven him for the Natasha/Bruce debacle.

 

[Anwar]

Thank God, he's not directing Batgirl. I still haven't forgiven him for the Natasha/Bruce debacle.

What, should Hulk have been sent to a micro-universe and fallen in love with their Queen instead?

 

[M.A.C.O.]

What, should Hulk have been sent to a micro-universe and fallen in love with their Queen instead?

Where he could meet Ray Palmer (The Atom) and they could go all John Carter of Mars together.

 

[dahj]

If Joss was reshooting TDK Trilogy...

 

[Gaith]

Fans of RedLetterMedia's Plinkett reviews may enjoy this (grabby title aside) in-depth and thoughtful autopsy of the cinematic cadaver that is Justice League. Poor scene direction, inconsistent and arbitrary character choices, and haphazard, motivation-free plotting are all poked at and examined:

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[crookeddy]

http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/henry-cavill-shoots-down-fan-push-for-justice-league-snyder-cut-its-not-going-to-change

 

[dahj]

Looks like Cavill proved me wrong and @DigificWriter is right again - a Snyder cut wouldn't change anything...

It helps to read the article and not just the clickbait title... he's talking about it making a financial difference for WB.

"I don't know if [a Synder cut] actually exists so the only way I can look at it is as a business model, and I don't know what difference it's going to make," [...] "I think it might be entertaining, for sure, and go, 'Oh look, now I've scratched that itch,' but it's not going to change anything that I can think of, it's not going to make huge amounts of money all of a sudden for a studio," noted the star. "They're not going to release it into cinemas and so they're not going to suddenly make an extra few hundred million. So it would be interesting to see what the difference is, but I'd rather focus on the future rather than what's been."

 

[Jax]

So the DCEU is now officially called...

Worlds of DC

 

[Samurai8472]

Sounds like a theme park

"Ride the Angst!"

"Stroll down Crime Alley! See if you can make it out alive!"

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Sounds like a theme park

"Ride the Angst!"

"Stroll down Crime Alley! See if you can make it out alive!"

Climb Man of Steel Mountain.

Take a Wonder Woman Whirl.

Squad up and try Task Force X for a thrill. It's Suicide.

Party all night till the break of Dawn of Just-Us.

Bring your bathing suit for day at Aquaworld Atlantis.

We don't claim Excelsior here. We declare SHAZAM!

I'm so awful.

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

This movie felt very clunky. The only characters we knew going in were Wonder Woman and Superman. Sure, we had Batman share a flick w/ Supes prior to this, but that was a mess and I certainly didn't feel like I knew Affleck's portrayal of the character very well. Then the other half the team we didn't know at all: Cyborg, Flash, and Aquaman. That is what people mean when they gripe that the DCEU is too rushed. In contrast, in the first Avengers team-up film, we already knew who all these characters were going in, which allowed the film to actually be ABOUT something other than character intros. It boggles the mind how this is so obvious to the general masses but not to the suits at WB.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ This argument that "we didn't know the characters" is a load of horsecrap and a "strawman" designed so that people who want to be critical of DC's shared universe films have something to be critical about.

 

[Samurai8472]

Climb Man of Steel Mountain.

Take a Wonder Woman Whirl.

Squad up and try Task Force X for a thrill. It's Suicide.

Party all night till the break of Dawn of Just-Us.

Bring your bathing suit for day at Aquaworld Atlantis.

We don't claim Excelsior here. We declare SHAZAM!

I'm so awful.

Apokolips hot springs and spa?

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Apokolips hot springs and spa?

Steppen and cry Wolf!

Flash Forward, Flashback. Get delicious Funnel Cakes and Frozen Treats. Flash Fact.

You're friends will be Green with envy, when you show them your authentic Lantern and ring replicas.

Ride the Batmobile. Make sure not to lose a wheel.

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

^ This argument that "we didn't know the characters" is a load of horsecrap and a "strawman" designed so that people who want to be critical of DC's shared universe films have something to be critical about.

Ah, my mistake.