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Spoilers Justice League - Grading and Discussion

Grade the Movie

  • A+

    Votes: 7 6.3%
  • A

    Votes: 12 10.8%
  • A-

    Votes: 9 8.1%
  • B+

    Votes: 20 18.0%
  • B

    Votes: 15 13.5%
  • B-

    Votes: 12 10.8%
  • C+

    Votes: 11 9.9%
  • C

    Votes: 6 5.4%
  • C-

    Votes: 2 1.8%
  • D+

    Votes: 5 4.5%
  • D

    Votes: 3 2.7%
  • D-

    Votes: 2 1.8%
  • F

    Votes: 7 6.3%

  • Total voters
    111
I wish they had given the whole thing a little more advanced thought and planning.

Kor

I think the only thoughts were: "We're WB, a major studio with all of these big name IPs and that puny Marvel studio is making a mint on obscure IPs, we should be making an even bigger mint" and "Any thing with Batman in the title is a guaranteed Billion $ gross, why bother to plan, just throw it on the screen and they'll lap it up, they're just a bunch of rubes"
 
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Last I checked Marvel is a subsidiary of the Walt Disney Company, not some plucky little upstart.
 
Movie just felt very rushed. I also think the Superman rebirth scene could have been handled better.
 
Last I checked Marvel is a subsidiary of the Walt Disney Company, not some plucky little upstart.
No...but the Intellectual Properties are of companies that are essentially equals..like the Coke & Pepsi of the Comic Industry

So the comparisons (or expected comparisons) are reasonable.

Superman is one of the most popular and recognizable superheroes on the planet. Marsden's point is that Marvel has taken 3rd tier characters that even those who ARE comic fans wouldn't know very well or be interested in, and made them into SUCCESS stories,critically, financial, and with social media buzz.

the DC FU is having trouble with this...with seemingly only Wonder Woman who seems to have hit all 3 successfully.

That's sad.. i WANT Justice League and its affiliates to be successful...but maaaaan!
 
Last I checked Marvel is a subsidiary of the Walt Disney Company, not some plucky little upstart.

You are correct, but they weren't for their "Phase I" They were bought outright right as it came to a close. That was my point, I know it's part of Disney now, which is not a small company, but recall even the first Avengers was distributed by Paramount because they couldn't do it themselves.

@Morpheus 02 has correctly elaborated my point, btw. I know there's debate but I think the big 4 of comics characters are Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, and Wonder Woman. They are hard to beat for "famous". Even Captain America is probably a distant 5, maybe, or not even in the top ten after WW2. (Pre MCU)
WB had all of the "star power" of the comic book characters they owned in one movie and couldn't deliver a good movie to have them in. That makes me sad on many levels, I'd have really enjoyed a good movie.

Please note I'm not blaming DC, I'm blaming WB.
 
I think the big 4 of comics characters are Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, and Wonder Woman. They are hard to beat for "famous". Even Captain America is probably a distant 5, maybe, or not even in the top ten after WW2. (Pre MCU)
A bit of perspective: I recently spent three weeks in India, and saw t-shirts and such with Cap's shield iconography all over the place. I also saw a few Batman symbols, but only one or two Superman crests.
 
In Scotland I see Superman shirts all over the place. Spider-Man is probably the second most popular shirts I see.
 
A bit of perspective: I recently spent three weeks in India, and saw t-shirts and such with Cap's shield iconography all over the place. I also saw a few Batman symbols, but only one or two Superman crests.
But that is 10 years after the Marvel Cinematic Universe officially kicked off... This was after 2 Avengers movies and the Captain trilogy came out, correct?

I think also Superman has been diluted in recent years...there has been like 5 or 6 kinds in the past 20 years right?

And I wonder what the foreign critical/social media response was...
 
But that is 10 years after the Marvel Cinematic Universe officially kicked off... This was after 2 Avengers movies and the Captain trilogy came out, correct?
No, after three Avengers movies. But, your point?

Superman's rep has been damaged as of late due to crappy movies...now some people think of MCU Cap as a better Superman figure than Supes.
Yep. He may also be seen as more relatable, due to his humbler origins, less godlike powers (and the fact he doesn't wear a cape), and real world-ish setting.
 
Did people relate to the cape and godlike powers for 70 years, then all of a sudden stop relating?
To give a serious answer to a sarcastic question, I do think there's been a slow, generations-long shift away from placing boundless faith in certain exceptional individuals, and a general move toward skepticism of the same. Look at how JFK was viewed in his time, and what a legend he became, whereas now even people who vastly prefer him to the Republicans of his day pay much more attention to his faults. Also, Superman represented the 20th century USA, which sure seems less and less of a hegemonic superpower these days. So yes, I think there's a very real chance people related much more to the myth/want for a godlike overseer in generations and decades past than they do now... as evidenced, perhaps, by the fact that his past five or six movies have hardly been box office sensations.
 
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The problem isn't the character, it's crappy movies. You can't put out crap and say "must be a generational thing, people don't relate to him anymore".

People weren't relating to Batman movies for the same reason until Nolan made his.

And also, the whole "I don't relate to this character, so I don’t like them" is also strange. If that was the case, the upcoming Venom movie would result in an empty movie theatre because I hope people don't relate to psychos bonded to aliens.
 
The problem isn't the character, it's crappy movies.
Those aren't in any way mutually exclusive problems. And, to the vast majority of humans worldwide, the character they see in the movies is the character.

And also, the whole "I don't relate to this character, so I don’t like them" is also strange.
Hey, man, I'm just reporting what I witnessed on the other side of the planet. ;)
 
Burton's Batman did just fine. That and the first X-Men movie set the stage for contemporary superhero movies in a lot of ways.

The success or failure of superhero movies doesn't have much to do with quality one way or another. A lot of the most successful of the current crop are dumb, shitty movies. People swear they're great.
 
Burton's Batman did just fine. That and the first X-Men movie set the stage for contemporary superhero movies in a lot of ways.

The success or failure of superhero movies doesn't have much to do with quality one way or another. A lot of the most successful of the current crop are dumb, shitty movies. People swear they're great.

I wasn't referencing Burton, I was referencing Schumacher.
 
I know you were. The fact that Schumacher made an unpopular Batman movie does not mean that people "weren't relating" or that Batman had not been successful before Nolan, so I ignored your reference as not germane.
 
If Shazam does well... Superman is going to lose out to Chuck again.

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