Right, I'm well aware that this issue has most likely been discussed many times over by now, but sod it, I'm gonna start it again. Do the events of "Journey's End" with the half-human Meta-Crisis Doctor invalidate the idea that the character could ever have been half-human? It's been a while since I last watched it, but I'm pretty sure it was said that a human/Time Lord hybrid was something that had never happened before, and that such hybrids would only have one heart and be unable to regenerate. I did at one time seriously consider the idea that the Seventh Doctor had at some point prior to his regeneration incorporated some human DNA into himself for some reason, but then I realised that any such human material would have been erased when he regenerated. And as already noted, "Journey's End" states there were no such mergings prior to the Meta-Crisis.
"Journey's End" & the infamous half-human question
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I believe that fandom will rationalize any conclusion they wish to make in any way they please.
I personally take the comments in The Journey's End as a deliberate slap to the TV Movie's notion of a half-human Doctor.
I personally take the comments in The Journey's End as a deliberate slap to the TV Movie's notion of a half-human Doctor.
Although RTD does at least acknowledge Paul Mcgann as the 8th doctor by saying Ecc is 9 and Tennant is 10 and cementing it more by the picture in 'Human Nature' and the image in 'The Next Doctor'.
The only other time RTD remotely goes near the movie is when he has the Master say the 'The Time Lords brought me back as the perfect warrior for their Time War'. I would guess they pulled his essence from the Eye of harmony and fused it to a new timelord body.
Eight's line about him being human can be chalked up to post-regeneration crazyness as we have seen with other incarnations. RTD has chosen to shoot down that helf human notion and hopefully Moffet will follow,
Because the Master was also affected with post-regeneration craziness? He also recognizes the Doctor as half-human.
He did? I guess I will have to rewatch, I have the film but its been a couple of years since seeing last.
Hear, hear!Personally, I place the whole "half-human" thing alongside the "multiple incarnations of the Doctor before Hartnell".
As in I don't believe it.
Yes, The Master notes this upon viewing the Eye of Harmony.
What rumours would these be?
Regarding this whole half-human business, I just had a look at the excellent "Rassilon, Omega and that Other Guy" site, a compilation of practically all info relating to the Gallifrey and Time Lord mythos from TV, novels, comics, and audios. In the section on Gallifreyan regeneration it states that it is possible for a Time Lord to incorporate characteristics of a different species when they regenerate, if they've absorbed any foreign biodata. I think this info might come from some of the novels, can't be sure. And I'm pretty sure the audo adventure The Apocalypse Element provided an explanation for why the Eye of Harmony needed a human eye to open it; think it was something to do with the Doctor's companion.
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^ It's actually mentioned in the TVM itself; the Doctor says it's possible to change species when he regenerates.
Yeah but the guy had come back from the dead as some kind of snake thing...he wasn't thinking clearly either
Well, there is another way to take the "half human" comment; it might not have been meant literally. Instead, it could be that "half human" was meant as an insult; in other words, the Doctor had spent so much time fixating on humans that he had diluted his regality as a Time Lord (such as a prince spending all of his time in pool hall dives with riff raff). Maybe there's a story with his mother that would explain his fixation.
I remember that plans where, if the 90's TVM became a series - we would eventually meet the Doctor's mother - and she would be human.
What is she *had* been human, but somehow the Timelords...elevated her?
This would explain the "half-human" remark, the Doctor's fixation with Earth...and yet still keep him pretty much all Timelord...
He'd be biologically Timelord 100% - but with some human...essence.
I know it sounds silly, but it's no sillier than ALL THE OTHER STUFF THE SERIES HAS DONE!
(And don't some fan speculate that Ace was possibly somehow indoctrinated into Timelord society later on...))
What is she *had* been human, but somehow the Timelords...elevated her?
This would explain the "half-human" remark, the Doctor's fixation with Earth...and yet still keep him pretty much all Timelord...
He'd be biologically Timelord 100% - but with some human...essence.
I know it sounds silly, but it's no sillier than ALL THE OTHER STUFF THE SERIES HAS DONE!
(And don't some fan speculate that Ace was possibly somehow indoctrinated into Timelord society later on...))
Thats a good interpetation of it also, that is may not be physical.
That was the plan for season 27, that Ace would depart to join the Time Lord Academy.
She becomes an agent of the Time Lords in the New Adventures.
Death Comes to Time sees her granted a TARDIS, which transforms her into a Time Lord.
It's quite simple really. Basically, the "half-human-thing" (as it has become known) and the "Ace goes to Gallifrey to become a Timelord" idea that Cartmel wanted to inflict upon us are both completely retarded.
After gazing into the Heart of Stupidity (which it turns out was an American TV exec's briefcase) the concepts gained godlike powers, became a Bloody-Awful-Wolf and sent echoes back through time erasing themselves from existence.
After gazing into the Heart of Stupidity (which it turns out was an American TV exec's briefcase) the concepts gained godlike powers, became a Bloody-Awful-Wolf and sent echoes back through time erasing themselves from existence.
I don't know which rumors Stcoop has heard. The ones I've heard make The End of Time sound more than a little like Lawrence Miles' Dead Romance. Of course, I've wondered from time to time if RTD has gone to bed these past five or six years with Miles' Doctor Who novels under his pillows.
That said, I can see what Stcoop might be hinting at. I've been operating under the theory for a while that RTD's era is going to end with a reset button, that the ninth and tenth Doctors' eras have been like the Year that Never Was writ large.
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