Jonathan Goldstein and John Francis Daley developing Star Trek reboot for Paramount

[Jayson1]

But that seems to be the sole motivating factor for you. Everything else you state about the daughter character could apply to anyone. I don’t need a character that needs another character as a crutch. That’s how you get Micheal Burnham.

It's more of a combination of things and this is a example of where knowing Trek canon is helpful. The universe has a setting and ideas already established that can be the starting point for a new story. It's one of the advantages that come with lore. Shran is basically the icing on the cake as I see it. The idea of exploring a Andorian from youth to old age is the meat and potatoes. Granted you can do the same story without Shran but their is nothing wrong with a little icing as long as that's not the main meal. The only problem is if you had Enterprise characters poping in every week and hey look. It's Sarek as a teenager talking to our main hero, who is now a old women. Stuff like that.

 

[Set Harth]

I mean, there may be people who think the Baby Yoda movie will be as big as Star Wars was in 1977. I'm not convinced it'll be much more popular than the Star Wars Christmas Special.

 

[Noname Given]

Its budget was just slightly under $600 million.

It needed to make $1.2 billion just to break even. It didn't do it.

Most sites I see say the budget was $416 million after a $100 million UK tax credit.

And sorry, if Disney was expecting 2 billion plus box office for the 3rd film in any Star War cycle - they're insane. Plus, remember the last few weeks in release were the start of the COVID pandemic.

And it's not like it bombed like with SOLO box office numbers.

 

[Set Harth]

Most sites I see say the budget was $416 million after a $100 million UK tax credit.

The budgets of these things keep getting bigger after the fact.
Or as Billy Dee Williams once said...

And sorry, if Disney was expecting 2 billion plus box office for the 3rd film in any Star War cycle - they're insane.

I mean, it's not like Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman were in it. Then you can expect 2 billion. I don't make the rules.

 

[Dukhat]

It's more of a combination of things and this is a example of where knowing Trek canon is helpful. The universe has a setting and ideas already established that can be the starting point for a new story. It's one of the advantages that come with lore. Shran is basically the icing on the cake as I see it. The idea of exploring a Andorian from youth to old age is the meat and potatoes. Granted you can do the same story without Shran but their is nothing wrong with a little icing as long as that's not the main meal. The only problem is if you had Enterprise characters poping in every week and hey look. It's Sarek as a teenager talking to our main hero, who is now a old women. Stuff like that.

I simply don't think a show about Shran's daughter has much appeal beyond giving the 1% of fans who actually know who she is some fanwank. And even then, I doubt they care all that much.

 

[fireproof78]

Did Paramount ever trademark it? Did they try to defend it?

Don't know if they can since it is a Hungarian name.

mean, there may be people who think the Baby Yoda movie will be as big as Star Wars was in 1977. I'm not convinced it'll be much more popular than the Star Wars Christmas Special.

Um....


...the most unpopular piece of Star Wars media ever and you think an armored gunslinger and his cute sidekick won't win out?

Pour me one of whatever you're having.

 

[I am not Spock]

i've got a feeling Kurtzman is out after his contract ends next year . And I'm not trying to be a hater, i've enjoyed most of his era.

It is very possible Skydance will want a complete refresh of their IPs including Trek. Clean slate. So I think the chances of Year One, United, Legacy etc , are unlikely.

What will Skydance era Trek look like? Who knows? It might be another reboot

 

[fireproof78]

I simply don't think a show about Shran's daughter has much appeal beyond giving the 1% of fans who actually know who she is some fanwank. And even then, I doubt they care all that much.

Andorians are my second favorite aliens from TOS after Romulans and I think this idea is awful and has nothing of substance to say. Shran ain't that great to be a draw.

 

[Firebird]

It's more of a combination of things and this is a example of where knowing Trek canon is helpful. The universe has a setting and ideas already established that can be the starting point for a new story. It's one of the advantages that come with lore. Shran is basically the icing on the cake as I see it. The idea of exploring a Andorian from youth to old age is the meat and potatoes. Granted you can do the same story without Shran but their is nothing wrong with a little icing as long as that's not the main meal. The only problem is if you had Enterprise characters poping in every week and hey look. It's Sarek as a teenager talking to our main hero, who is now a old women. Stuff like that.

Again - this is not a workable concept for a television series. It is too long-winded and lacks a firm story to build upon.

Also, nobody outside of the die-hards gives a shit about Shran.

i've got a feeling Kurtzman is out after his contract ends next year . And I'm not trying to be a hater, i've enjoyed most of his era.

It is very possible Skydance will want a complete refresh of their IPs including Trek. Clean slate. So I think the chances of Year One, United, Legacy etc , are unlikely.

What will Skydance era Trek look like? Who knows? It might be another reboot

This is all totally fair, and it may well happen. I wouldn't blame Kurtzman if he decided to move on, either. And I fully agree that all the pitches being bandied about right now have little chance of ever getting made.

It's the spiteful conspiracy theorists who've been spouting bullshit about Kurtzman getting fired for the last nine damn years because he had the gall to make a Star Trek show starring a Black woman that have gotten on my nerves. Nobody can have a nuanced conversation about the Kurtzman era because we keep having to deal with rage merchant yahoos who profit on this shit.

 

[Danja]

...the most unpopular piece of Star Wars media ever and you think an armored gunslinger and his cute sidekick won't win out?

Pour me one of whatever you're having.

George Lucas has been trying to destroy all copies of it for the past forty-five years.

 

[Steve Roby]

Um....


...the most unpopular piece of Star Wars media ever and you think an armored gunslinger and his cute sidekick won't win out?

Pour me one of whatever you're having.

It was a can of Sapporo lager. Or two. There's more in the fridge.

Obviously The Mandalorian and Grogu will have a better box office showing than the Christmas Special, not least because the special was on TV. I was exaggerating, in case that really needs to be explained. I just don't think it's going to do anywhere near the kind of numbers the trilogy movies get. A movie has to get the butts in seats of a lot of people who aren't hardcore fans, and while it may surprise people on a nerd website to learn this, there are a lot of people out there who know what Star Wars is but don't know what the hell a Mandalorian is. And if, like the TV show, the movie's full of callbacks to various animated Star Wars TV series, it's just going to baffle that casual audience that's needed to make a movie a hit. I've seen all the Star Wars movies (except the Ewok TV movies), read a few dozen novels and over a hundred of the comics, and watched most of the live action TV series, and there were times watching The Mandalorian when I just sat there and thought, evidently I'm supposed to be excited by this person showing up, but I don't know who they are and haven't been given a reason to care. I didn't need to do any homework when I saw Star Wars back in 1977.

 

[fireproof78]

It was a can of Sapporo lager. Or two. There's more in the fridge.

Obviously The Mandalorian and Grogu will have a better box office showing than the Christmas Special, not least because the special was on TV. I was exaggerating, in case that really needs to be explained. I just don't think it's going to do anywhere near the kind of numbers the trilogy movies get. A movie has to get the butts in seats of a lot of people who aren't hardcore fans, and while it may surprise people on a nerd website to learn this, there are a lot of people out there who know what Star Wars is but don't know what the hell a Mandalorian is. And if, like the TV show, the movie's full of callbacks to various animated Star Wars TV series, it's just going to baffle that casual audience that's needed to make a movie a hit. I've seen all the Star Wars movies (except the Ewok TV movies), read a few dozen novels and over a hundred of the comics, and watched most of the live action TV series, and there were times watching The Mandalorian when I just sat there and thought, evidently I'm supposed to be excited by this person showing up, but I don't know who they are and haven't been given a reason to care. I didn't need to do any homework when I saw Star Wars back in 1977.

I don't expect it to be full of call backs but a standalone adventure. And Grogu's popularity out strips anything else I've seen among casuals or non fans.

 

[Danja]

I didn't need to do any homework when I saw Star Wars back in 1977.

Back in 1977, Star Wars was a blank canvas.

 

[fireproof78]

Back in 1977, Star Wars was a blank canvas.

And Darth Vader could have stayed a lackey.

 

[Set Harth]

And if, like the TV show, the movie's full of callbacks to various animated Star Wars TV series, it's just going to baffle that casual audience that's needed to make a movie a hit.

But by that point their asses will already be in the seats! BWAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

( And of course we already know a certain cartoon character will be in it. )