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Joker Origin Story Announced

The media's fearmongering based on a misconception of a character did not give them the imagined "incel" story they so breathlessly predicted for the premiere of this movie.

To people with real world experience seeing someone kill another human being, he knows if a person desire to take life, he does not need a movie to inspire him. It will just happen.
 
It's good to hear from a HOMESMAN fan who liked it as much as I did. What was interesting about that movie was how it gave its two most important characters sizable chunks of time without each other to play off of. To say more would be to spoil. Except the ending was quite funny.

Unfortunately, I didn't see the movie, as I said, I did post an article from 2014 about the movie that was brushed off by others here; I finally found the thread containing the article just now.

Tommy Lee Jones in new controversial movie about U.S. history (also contain link to original article about The Homesman)
 
About the incel controversy...
Perhaps I'm stupid, but I can't really see how the protagonist is some kind of incel archetype. It isn't like he laments all the time he can't bone someone or the women prefer some "chad" over him. Yes, he fantasizes about a girl who doesn't reciprocate, but I'm quite sure it isn't an exclusively incel thing. If this film came out 20, 10 or just 5 years ago, no one would have said that the protagonist's problems stem from the fact that he can't get laid.
 
I talked about this years ago when I did a post about a Western that Tommy Lee Jones did that wasn't getting enough attention due to this factor, and everybody here brushed off what was said in the article that comprised said post.
Thanks for alerting me to this film. I see it is on Amazon Prime--so I will check it out.

As for The Joker--I certainly plan on seeing it at some point, but I don't even think of it as a Batman film in all honesty as it doesn't seem to resemble anything in the Batman mythos. It is as if the Joker name was slapped onto a Martin Scorcese project just to generate buzz and sales. For those who have seen it, is there anything in the film that actually relates to Batman lore?
 
About the incel controversy...
Perhaps I'm stupid, but I can't really see how the protagonist is some kind of incel archetype. It isn't like he laments all the time he can't bone someone or the women prefer some "chad" over him. Yes, he fantasizes about a girl who doesn't reciprocate, but I'm quite sure it isn't an exclusively incel thing. If this film came out 20, 10 or just 5 years ago, no one would have said that the protagonist's problems stem from the fact that he can't get laid.
Incel is just the latest catchphrase. Loner use to be the term. Before that is was a shut in going back to boogieman. Most of these people are sad,lonely people with unfulfilled lives who are more likely to kill themselves. The ones who go they next level seem to always be acting on personal shit in their own lives who just finally break. The only reason they write manifesto's or livestream is because for them this is the first time anyone has cared about them or acknowledged their exstience. Also they aren't white nationist. While most of them do have sexist and racist views they aren't in gangs or even overtly political like the nationalist are. Jason
 
About the incel controversy...
Perhaps I'm stupid, but I can't really see how the protagonist is some kind of incel archetype. It isn't like he laments all the time he can't bone someone or the women prefer some "chad" over him. Yes, he fantasizes about a girl who doesn't reciprocate, but I'm quite sure it isn't an exclusively incel thing. If this film came out 20, 10 or just 5 years ago, no one would have said that the protagonist's problems stem from the fact that he can't get laid.

Exactly. Plus this:
It's established that his 'dating' the lady in the apartment building earlier in the movie was all a scenario in his mind.
 
Incel is just the latest catchphrase. Loner use to be the term. Before that is was a shut in going back to boogieman. Most of these people are sad,lonely people with unfulfilled lives who are more likely to kill themselves. The ones who go they next level seem to always be acting on personal shit in their own lives who just finally break. The only reason they write manifesto's or livestream is because for them this is the first time anyone has cared about them or acknowledged their exstience. Also they aren't white nationist. While most of them do have sexist and racist views they aren't in gangs or even overtly political like the nationalist are. Jason
What they are, first and foremost, is human beings who are in a lot of pain. Why should it be so controversial for a film to recognize that?
 
What they are, first and foremost, is human beings who are in a lot of pain. Why should it be so controversial for a film to recognize that?
I agree with that. I actually heard people talking about mental health in a real way since the movie came. The isolation that comes with mental health and people not having a good support system when dealing with it. Jason
 
This movie was amazing. It touched all the wrong buttons in the right way. I wasn't expecting it to actually tie into the Batman mythos the way it did, but that's distant secondary to Athur's story.

People are going to be talking about this one for a very long time. 10/10.
 
Well, the thing's made over a quarter of a billion dollars worldwide in four days.

Who knew that as a demographic incels had such box office clout?*

*Okay, probably Michael Bay.
 
Michael Moore's review.

I take this dude more seriously since he accurately predicted exactly how Trump would win the Presidency, and did it in mid-summer of 2016.

Michael Moore
October 5 at 10:13 AM ·

On Wednesday night I attended the New York Film Festival and witnessed a cinematic masterpiece, the film that last month won the top prize as the Best Film of the Venice International Film Festival. It’s called “Joker” — and all we Americans have heard about this movie is that we should fear it and stay away from it. We’ve been told it’s violent and sick and morally corrupt — an incitement and celebration of murder. We’ve been told that police will be at every screening this weekend in case of “trouble.” Our country is in deep despair, our constitution is in shreds, a rogue maniac from Queens has access to the nuclear codes — but for some reason, it’s a movie we should be afraid of.

I would suggest the opposite: The greater danger to society may be if you DON’T go see this movie. Because the story it tells and the issues it raises are so profound, so necessary, that if you look away from the genius of this work of art, you will miss the gift of the mirror it is offering us. Yes, there’s a disturbed clown in that mirror, but he’s not alone — we’re standing right there beside him.

“Joker” is no superhero or supervillain or comic book movie. The film is set somewhere in the ‘70s or ‘80s in Gotham City - and the filmmakers make no attempt to disguise it for anything other than what it is: New York City, the headquarters of all evil: the rich who rule us, the banks and corporations for whom we serve, the media which feeds us a daily diet “news” they think we should absorb. This past week, a week when a sitting President indicted himself because, in true Joker style, he was laughing himself silly at Mueller’s and the Dems’ inability to stop him, so he just quadrupled down and handed them everything they needed. But even then, after ten days of his flaunting his guilt, he was still sitting with his KFC grease-stained nuclear codes in the Oval Office, so he told Captain Sketchy to fire up the helicopter, the sound of its blades revving up, meant only to alert the reporters to scurry outside for the daily “press conference” — Trump walks outside into the deafening cacophony of the whirlybird and publicly and feloniously asks the Peoples Republic of China to interfere in our 2020 election by sending him dirt on the Bidens. He and his magic carpet of hair then walked away and, other than the citizen howls of “CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS?!”, nothing happened. As “Joker” opens this weekend, Joker, Jr. Is still still sitting at John F. Kennedy’s desk in the Oval Office on the days he shows up to work, dreaming of his next conquest and debauchery.

But this movie is not about Trump. It’s about the America that gave us Trump — the America which feels no need to help the outcast, the destitute. The America where the filthy rich just get richer and filthier.

Except in this story a discomfiting question is posed: What if one day the dispossessed decide to fight back? And I don’t mean with a clipboard registering people to vote. People are worried this movie may be too violent for them. Really? Considering everything we’re living through in real life? You allow your school to conduct “active shooter drills” with your children, permanently, emotionally damaging them as we show these little ones
that this is the life we’ve created for them. “Joker” makes it clear we don’t really want to get to the bottom of this, or to try to understand why innocent people turn in to Jokers after they can no longer keep it together. No one wants to ask why two smart boys skipped their 4th-hour AP French Philosophy class at Columbine High to slaughter 12 students and a teacher. Who would dare ask why the son of a vice-president of General Electric would go into Sandy Hook Elementary in
Newtown, CT and blow the tiny bodies apart of 20 first-graders. Or why did 53% of White women vote for the presidential candidate who, on tape, reveled in his talent as a sexual predator?

The fear and outcry over “Joker” is a ruse. It’s a distraction so that we don’t look at the real violence tearing up our fellow human beings — 30 million Americans who don’t have health insurance is an act of violence. Millions of abused women and children living in fear is an act of violence. Cramming 59 students like worthless sardines into classrooms in Detroit is an act of violence.

As the news media stands by for the next mass shooting, you and your neighbors and co-workers have already been shot numerous times, shot straight through all of your hearts and hopes and dreams. Your pension is long gone. You’re in debt for the next 30 years because you committed the crime of wanting an education. You have actually thought about not having children because you don’t have the heart to bring them onto a dying planet where they are given a 20-year death-by-climate-change sentence at birth. The violence in “Joker”? Stop! Most of the violence in the movie is perpetrated on the Joker himself, a person in need of help, someone trying to survive on the margins of a greedy society. His crime is that he can’t get help. His crime is that he is the butt of a joke played on HIM by the rich and famous. When the Joker decides he can no longer take it — yes, you will feel awful. Not because of the (minimal) blood on the screen, but because deep down, you were cheering him on - and if you’re honest when that happens, you will thank this movie for connecting you to a new desire — not to run to the nearest exit to save your own ass but rather to stand and fight and focus your attention on the nonviolent power you hold in your hands every single day. Thank you Joaquin Phoenix, Todd Phillips, Warner Bros. and all who made this important movie for this important time. I loved this film’s multiple homages to Taxi Driver, Network, The French Connection, Dog Day Afternoon. How long has it been since we’ve seen a movie aspire to the level of Stanley Kubrick? Go see this film. Take your teens. Take your resolve.
 
Batman IS crazy... the dude has funneled all of his rage and grief into a one man war on crime dressed as a bat. He even uses kids in that war. That's fucked up. We just don't like treating the character that way because he's the hero.
I would love if they leaned into that though. A guy going around dressed as a Bat beating up criminals, have it be more than just a passing insult. Have him as a man whose body won't hold out for years with the strain he puts it through, a man who has his teeth knocked out but is unphased because he's on a mission to clean up Gotham.
 
Well, the thing's made over a quarter of a billion dollars worldwide in four days.

Who knew that as a demographic incels had such box office clout?

Yes, we have the ever-so-honest mainstream news media (and their hive-minded surrogates) to thank for pretty much rubbing their crystals / reading Ouija boards, hoping some white male would scream something, the open fire in a theatre, or claim in Flip Wilson-esque fashion, "The Joker Made Me Do It!" during the film's opening. They are noticeably silent after their sickening wish did not come true. Another in the "L" column for the propagandists.
 
I think they should make a Batman movie in this universe, but as the antagonist. The protagonist is still Joker, just trying to get by, and that idiot rich kid Batman always meddling in his affairs, ignorantly protecting the true evil doers, while oppressing the lower class. Sounds like the movie Snyder always dreamed of making, so that would be the movie to bring him back for.
 
That was pretty good, if not quite as good as initial reviews suggested, IMHO. Phoenix was astounding though; a whole new take on it. While Ledger had his hair flicking, grimacing and lip-licking, he has this hunched pain, the agonised involuntary laugh and flamboyant twirls and pirouettes. Plus with his skeletal frame, he looks more like the comic Joker than any other actor has.
Is anyone going to open a spoiler-filled review thread?
 
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