Joker Origin Story Announced

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  1. crookeddy

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    The movie also showed that the system wasn't helping much. "You aren't listening to me." It probably would have prevented him from being a mass murderer though.
     
  2. crookeddy

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    https://www.vulture.com/article/best-dc-comics-movies.html

    In this list Joker is 8th out of 32, a placement I don't have an issue with. I completely disagree with the writeup though.

    I didn't see it that way at all. The brutality was almost shown to be inevitable. A modern day "eat the rich" is the far less satirical and thus scarily realistic "kill the rich". To me, the movie showed the brutal riots with glee.

    Did they watch a different movie than me? Joker was absolutely presented as an anti-hero, not a villain.

    The wall street types he took out? Despicable people. The fat clown? He is the one who started this by giving a gun to a mentally ill fella. His mom? He believed that she had abused him at the time. The talk show host? He was full of himself and was making fun of Arthur. Any time the movie could have shown Joker doing TRULY despicable things, it shied away. The little man? Spared. His neighbor? Who knows, but camera cut away. Dcotor in the hospital? Cut away.

    Any time Joker killed someone who "deserved it" it was shown. Any time he killed an innocent it was either only implied, or at least not shown.

    REALLY??? Thomas was shown to be a complete asshole here, who staged Arthur's abuse to cover up his affair (or maybe he didn't). His comments sparked the riots as much as Joker did (probably more). He was at best out of touch and at worst one of the most despicable people ever shown in the Batman universe. Were we supposed to feel bad about his murder??

    On the same site, I did find a take I do completely agree with.

    https://www.vulture.com/2019/10/joker-is-a-movie-with-deliberately-contradictory-politics.html

    EDIT: Completely agree with the take on Joker. The take on Goetz is... not accurate.
     
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  3. crookeddy

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    BTW the incel connection came from this:
     
  4. Captrek

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    No, but they did make up some pretty hateful screeds. See, for example, this review decrying the film as an “anthem for incels.” A lot of the negative reviews have a similar theme: that incels would like this movie, and therefore good people wouldn’t.
     
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  5. crookeddy

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    Reviews are not "the media"...
     
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  6. Captrek

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    No, but to me that’s the most interesting part of the story: the widespread moral revulsion at a film for the sin of exploring the pain of incels and losers.
     
  7. crookeddy

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    Exploring pain == inevitable path to murder according to this movie.
     
  8. Serveaux

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    As far as I'm concerned, the assertion that "good people" will reject a creative work is less an indictment than an invitation.
     
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  9. Gov Kodos

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    Nothing like a cry of a works moral turpitude to boost sales. The Satanic Verses would have been known largely just to English Lit majors had there not been that ridiculous fatwa from Iran.
     
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  10. Yossarianator

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    Absolutely. And the......list of worthy film projects originally rejected by Hollywood studios is as long as anybody's......stuff.
     
  11. TREK_GOD_1

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    Many in the news media were, as it fit their slapped together, sweeping, immature profiling narrative about a part of the American population (and a movie character they knew nothing about) in a convoluted attempt to use/anchor real tragedies (families of victims be damned) to said part of the population. Its manipulative (no surprise there) and wanted to generate nationwide fear...and the fact they aggressively tried to exploit this movie in a smoldering political season is no coincidence. There is nothing honest or in the interest of safety in what the news media's was doing regarding this film. Their coverage was all but saying "we hope this happens".
     
  12. crookeddy

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    Seems that the President has filled you with hate for reporters and the media. You've been on an anti media and reporters binge for over a year now.
     
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    Hey, Michael Moore, listen up. They showed Blow Out and Zorro the Gay Blade on a movie theater marquee for a reason.
     
  14. Dry Bones 37

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    I don't know about Trek God, but I haven't trusted the media since I studied history and statistics in 2005.

    I prefer to do my own research.
     
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  15. Jason Voorhees

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    I haven't fully trusted the media since the O.J Simpson circus. When news became entertainment. Which I guess has been around for awhile seeing it was main theme in "Network." Something that has gotten worst with FoxNews and clickbait stuff that thrives on social media. Even the old reliables like NY Times and CNN have had to get into the gutter to stay relivant. Jason
     
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    I've worked in that field, so more than most, I know the corruption of the news media, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the president, which some (not talking about you) obsess over as if they were just dropped here yesterday and knew nothing of this nation's history. The manipulation I point out has been a consistent problem for more than a half century, but some have their sociopolitical VR glasses on, so they do not see what was in plain sight longer than they've been alive.

    Aside from that. what has happened with the news media's propaganda regarding the Joker movie and (ab)using tragedy as a political maneuver was quite real. Thankfully, it failed miserably.
     
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  17. Yossarianator

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    NETWORK predicted it. About eleven years later, A Current Affair came on American TV, old-school Donahue-style shows started vanishing, and it only got worse from there.
     
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  18. crookeddy

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    Joker estimates for the weekend are now $60 million+, for a very small drop from opening weekend. This movie might end up doing double it's expectations, via its trolling and media triggering viral marketing campaign. Expect more of the same in the future.
     
  19. Jason Voorhees

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    Hopefully we will get more movies like it. The 70's and 90's was the golden age of movies. Jason
     
  20. Dart

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    I thought it was outstanding. A real tonic to the comic book genre.
     
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