Joker Origin Story Announced

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  1. fireproof78

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    Which, thus far, has made no sense. Joker, as a character, has been presented in so many different iterations, both with Batman and without, that the whole "in name only" is pretty much gatekeeping style BS that doesn't recognize that comic books are a medium that allow for multiple different storytelling types and reinventions of characters.
     
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    IE, it won't happen as long as he remains unashamed of the comics instead of selling out.

    Selling out, telling an INO story and pandering to the Academy? I'm glad the MCU doesn't do that.

    The comics never made him into some populist hero of the lower classes, and both Phoenix and Phillips admitted he's not really the Joker anyways.
     
  3. crookeddy

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    If he's not really the joker why are all these Bruce Wayne connections in there?
     
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    Feige already sold out. He merely goes after the easy cash instead of awards. Knowing folks like you will buy anything that says "Marvel" on it.

    And I don't blame him for an instant, he is doing his job to the best of his abilities.
     
  5. fireproof78

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    You and I must have read some different comics then. At least Injustice used him as a martyr and populist hero against Superman's regime.

    Regardless, the point stands-comics are designed as a flexible medium to tell lots of different stories within. If one style or character doesn't work then move on to the next one. Joker has been that character who has flexed and moved with the times. Let's not pretend that he is a static character who only recently has been changed by Phoenix and Phillips. They are doing what comics have always done-adapted.
     
  6. Nerys Myk

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    I doubt it was two hours of "bear wrestling".
     
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    I fell for the Antomio Banderas ''conventional wisdom'' here..

    A retroactive one. One of the key reasons you have nine nominees most years now is that the Oscars wouldn't put TDK in the top five. If it were still five now, perhaps JOKER might not have made 2019's cut. To not nominate TDK is an insult, especially after it won the Ronald for Best Picture that year. (While Best Supporting Actor was Tom Wilkinson for MICHAEL CLAYTON, who beat out fellow TDK nominees Oldman, Eckhart and even Ledger.)

    Suddenly I realize that Cesar Romero was clearly robbed in 1966. That too was theatrical. Boycott Oscar's!

    My take was not that Phoenix didn't deserve it, but the Academy would not deign to award two Jokers in 11 years. It's usually uncharacteristic of them to award genre work. No Alan Rickman acting nomination ever, for example.

    There was that one time Ving Rhames asked 12 ANGRY MEN's Lemmon to stand up just after Rhames won. He was that moved by Lemmon's remake performance.

    I took my coffee black this morning. Always without sugar, today without cream.
     
  8. fireproof78

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    I'm sure this makes sense to someone. Unfortunately, that someone is not me...
     
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  9. Anwar

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    How?

    After causing the whole mess and becoming a martyr just for a sick laugh.

    They never went THIS far, not even White Knight.

    And there's also their own comments of how he isn't the Joker.

    I saw the movie, for the most part it was.
     
  10. fireproof78

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    Again, you and I read much different comics then I.
    Which version of "not the Joker?" Seriously, this character has been adapted many times over and yet comic book fans act like its never been done before, and wring their hands over the injustice of it all. What a load of garbage.

    If it has never been done before (I doubt it but I'll play along) then what's the issue? Comic books, like most art, respond to the times in which they are created. So, why not take a new interpretation of this character who has been interpreted time and again in its history?
     
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    FOOD SHIPMENT

    MONTONE
     
  12. Serveaux

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    He's the Joker.
     
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    Even in the comics there have been so many crazy Elseworlds and alternate universe versions of characters, it can be almost impossible to say that a character couldn't be presented in a certain way.
    Anybody who actually expects the Academy to nominate an MCU movie without some extra motivation doesn't understand the Oscars, they are just plain not the kind of movies that the Academy likes. The only reason Black Panther was nominated was because it was such a huge game changing phenomenon, not because it was actually the kind of movie they nominate. I loved Black Panther, but it just wasn't the kind of movie they usual go for, so there clearly had to be more going on with it.
    And it's ridiculous to judge an MCU movie like Endgame against Joker, because it just wasn't that kind of movie, and it wasn't trying to be. Now I haven't seen Joker yet, but Endgame was pretty much just simple popcorn entertainment, while Joker was going for something a bit deeper. I don't mean that as an insult to Endgame, I loved Endgame, and overall I prefer simple popcorn entertainment to stuff trying to go deeper. I can enjoy popcorn entertainment at pretty much anytime, but I have to be in a very specific mood when I watch something like Joker. Sometimes you can get a popcorn movie that does go deeper, but those tend to be the exception rather than the rule.
     
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    Truth; they know certain Marvel fans worship at the altar of whatever is crapped on it, and will spend their last dollar with not even a hint a part of a critical eye. Like bad cartoon franchises, they will keep that same format going until there's only one person left watching it.

    Well said--but then again, you actually are aware of the Joker's history, unlike some angry MCU fan posting things with about as much historical accuracy as the random Wikipedia page, and we know accuracy is not high on the priorities list there.
     
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  15. JD

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    I find this post highly insulting.
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    I am seriously getting sick of you shitting on the MCU and it fans, I get you don't like them, but that doesn't give you the right to act like everyone that does is a completely fucking braindead moron. I might not be fucking Albert Enstein, but I'm not sitting around all day drooling on myself either, in fact I do have an above average IQ. I don't just love everything Marvel does because it's Marvel, I am more than happy to admit that Inhumans really wasn't that great. But pretty much everything else they have done I have enjoyed, and as long as their hit/miss ratio continues to lean on the hit side for me, I will gladly continue to watch what they are making.
     
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  16. TREK_GOD_1

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    Nope, nor did it bother me that one of the only great films in the MCU (Cap 2) was completely ignored.
    *shrugs*
     
  17. Anwar

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    Like Star Trek, Dr Who, Lord of the Rings, etc...
     
  18. TREK_GOD_1

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    "certain Marvel fans"

    Learn to read. "Certain" is not all, so unless you are--by your own free will--placing yourself in the same box as Anwar, your rant is misguided, hyper defensive nonsense.
     
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  19. JD

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    Sorry, I missed the certain.
     
  20. Nerys Myk

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    I saw the movie too. It’s not.