Joker Origin Story Announced

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  1. TREK_GOD_1

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  2. Anwar

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    Nah, just proving that Oscar Bait is still in full effect. And the Academy thinking that stuff like losing weight and laughing a lot counts as "acting".

    Not as embarrassing as DiCaprio winning for wrestling a CGI Bear though.
     
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    1. That's not what the term means;
    2. Nope;
    3. Where are the Creative noms for whatever it is that Marvel did this year? ;)
     
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    1) It certainly is. Joker ticks the boxes pretty well. Phoenix and Phillips insulting the CBM Genre also won them attention from the Academy because they like it when folks do that.
    2) Yep, it's the same reason they gave Anne Hathaway an Oscar purely for letting herself go gaunt for Les Miserables. They think nonsense like that constitutes acting.
    3) Endgame got an Oscar Nom for VFX, but the Academy's dislike for the authentic CBM movies unless really forced into acknowledging them is pretty well known by now. These are the same buffoons who thought Pixar wasn't worthy of notice for a long time too.

    But then again, by your logic the MCU is on the same level as Danny Elfman and David Lynch.
     
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    Well, those nominations are Disturbing.
     
  7. Timby

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    Well, David Lynch is a demigod and beyond reproach.

    The MCU and Danny Elfman isn't a terrible analogy, though: Started off well and then just shifted into phoning it in for a decade-plus.
     
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    Indeed.
     
  9. Anwar

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    No, Elfman's work is always majestic and has a dark edge to it. To say it's all the same just shows that some folks just don't bother to look past the surface (or in Elfman's case, hear passed the opening tune).

    Someone who is REALLY phoning it in is Hans Zimmer.
     
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    Elfman literally recycled parts of his Batman Returns score for Spider-Man 2. He hasn't had an original idea in years.
     
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    If he doesn't do "Weird Science" I'm rioting.


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    Exactly so. Elfman is very clever in his repetitive strokes but that doesn't mean he hasn't done it.
     
  13. Timby

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    I'm 35 years old and the idea of being excited to see Rage Against the Machine in 2020 makes my brain bleed.
     
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    Coachella hasn't made any sense for a looong time.
     
  15. Timby

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    Several years ago, I think it was 2014, my now ex-wife and I saw Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds in Milwaukee. We were in the fifth row. After the first or second song, a very clearly intoxicated woman in the front row screamed, "I LOVED YOU AT COACHELLA!"

    Nick says, "That's great, when did we play?"

    She responds, "In the morning, you started the show!"

    Nick says, "Great, you're full of shit, we played at night, fuck off."

    That's my Coachella-adjacent story.
     
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    Wow. We're close to same age. I'm 34.
     
  17. TREK_GOD_1

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    Translation: Boiling mad because Joker is earning the very kind of attention you were swearing would never happen, and of course, that bad 80s action cartoon series--AKA most of the MCU--will never earn such a distinction.

    Sadness and tears, sadness and tears.

    3. Nowhere!
     
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    I will trust my friend, who actually composes music, over random person on the Internet. I'm funny like that :D
    Indeed, and he is quite good at it too. Doesn't mean Elfman isn't.
     
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    The filmmakers knew their movie would've bombed and Phoenix ignored if not for them hijacking the character names they'd prefer they not use, therefore showing Hollywood hasn't learned a poor thing.

    And thinking stuff like losing weight and overacting merits awards. Or rather, Pity Awards.

    Joker only got this thanks to the MCU's hard work in enhancing the image of CBMs.

    Without Black Panther's Noms last year, this never would've happened.

    VFX Award Nom. But seeing how hard LOTR and GOT had to work for awards, it's not surprising. The Academy also appreciated Phillips' comments about how they were trying to make an Anti-CBM as well.

    That was deliberate, his return to CBMs after Batman.
     
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    I put more credit on Burton's Batman, Nolan's Batman, and the Rami Spider-Man films than the MCU for enhancing the image. MCU road that wave as far as they could take it though.