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Jeyl's Nitpicks on XI (Spoiler Heavy)

Re: Not to be nitpicky

Yeah, I did... Wasn't first contact with the Cardassians supposed to be in the 2290's-2300's? NOT the 2250's as the film is supposed to be in?

Also, what was the race of the guy between Kirk and Uhura when Kirk orders his drink? Was that supposed to be a Klingon??
 
Re: Loved the movie but (insert nit pick here)

Yeah, the whole "The Enterprise is the only ship defending Earth!" has been done so very, very, very much in the various movies/series. Like you, I can give them the benefit of "dramatic license" in that, how dull would it be for the Enterprise to be one of 500 ships blowing the hell out of the Narada before it can so much as cross the orbit of Pluto? It'd be a cool sequence, but would make for a short movie... :)

In other words, we don't mind paying for lazy writing, because making a plausible movie would be just too much work.

A real writer, a good writer, could make a movie in which the Enterprise was "one of 500 ships" that was compelling and good.

It worked for the Defiant every time.

And what was going on the Lorentzian Sector or whatever it was that was tying up the real, actually-trained Starfleet, anyway? I might've missed that, but it seemed like something huge was happening parallel to the main story.

DEWLine said:
You're not alone in wondering about that. I can believe 10,000 survivors in an evacuation of Vulcan itself, but not the entire species being winnowed down to that number. They have to have had colonies and outposts elsewhere.

Heck, there are probably more than 10,000 Vulcan nationals on Earth. And, as I said in the other thread, billions on Romulus, in addition to the dozens of other colonies they surely have.
 
Re: Not to be nitpicky

Who is to say that they still haven't actually had First contact with the Cardassianss? I mean, they are in contact with lots of other alien races, perhaps one of those races introduced them to that drink and gave them the ingredients. They could have the drink, and know of the existence of the Cardassians, but not have actually met them yet.
 
Re: Not to be nitpicky

I went into the movie intent on not paying attention to continuity errors or canon or anything that could possibly detract from my goal of just being entertained for 2 hours. But yeah, I noticed the Cardassian drink thing, too.
 
Re: Not to be nitpicky

Again, WHO SAYS THEY MADE FIRST CONTACT WITH THE CARDASSIANS? No where in this movie was that said or implied.

There are LOTS of aliens the Federation knows about. Perhaps one of these alien races HAS met the Cardassians and thus the Federation and Starfleet know about them, but hasn't actually gone there to make First Contact yet! This alien race who HAS met them perhaps brought the drink back to the Federation. Perhaps it was even just a simple merchant that brought the drink to Earth to sell.
 
Re: Not to be nitpicky

^ I liked it. For me it made a connection to a larger universe with one offhand comment. Nicely done, in my opinion.

J.
 
Re: Not to be nitpicky

I would love to see Kirk stomp on the Cardassians.So I hope we get to see it.Would be something new.
 
Re: Not to be nitpicky

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardassian#Pre-Dominion_membership

The date of first contact between the Cardassians and Starfleet is unknown, but is likely to have occurred mid-to-late 22nd Century, as a Cardassian exile, Iloja of Prim, lived on Vulcan during that time period. Sometime before 2347 the Cardassians attempted to expand into Federation territory and war broke out, lasting around twenty years. Captain Edward Jellico spearheaded successful attempts by Starfleet to negotiate a peace treaty which ended the war.
 
Re: Some Pointless Nitpicking

7. How is Spock not in trouble for marooning a fellow Star Fleet member on an obviously dangerous planet so far from the base? And did that lobster creature really look like something that would exist in an arctic enviroment?

Spock did cross a line, but there was a Starfleet facility within spitting distance and the computer said Kirk was supposed to sit tight and wait to be picked up. He would've been perfectly safe in his duranium cocoon if he'd done that. Spock hasn't quite caught on to the unpredictability of Jim Kirk yet.
 
Re: Not to be nitpicky

Yeah, I did... Wasn't first contact with the Cardassians supposed to be in the 2290's-2300's? NOT the 2250's as the film is supposed to be in?

Also, what was the race of the guy between Kirk and Uhura when Kirk orders his drink? Was that supposed to be a Klingon??


It was either Morn's Grandfather or Norm's (really) Distant, Alien-Cousin... :lol:
 
The Narada had 25 years to enhance their weapons and shields from their initial encounter with the Kelvin, to the battle with the Federation fleet at Vulcan. As it was only a mining ship, I doubt it would have been that weel armed, so they had time to deal with that issue.

I think we can presume that the Narada destroyed whatever defense forces Vulcan had, which triggered the distress call in the first place.
 
The Narada had 25 years to enhance their weapons and shields from their initial encounter with the Kelvin, to the battle with the Federation fleet at Vulcan. As it was only a mining ship, I doubt it would have been that weel armed, so they had time to deal with that issue.

I think we can presume that the Narada destroyed whatever defense forces Vulcan had, which triggered the distress call in the first place.

Maybe I missed it, but why didn't Nero, after having gone back in time, just go and rescue his wife? Would save him having to be pissed off at the Galaxy.
 
The Narada had 25 years to enhance their weapons and shields from their initial encounter with the Kelvin, to the battle with the Federation fleet at Vulcan. As it was only a mining ship, I doubt it would have been that weel armed, so they had time to deal with that issue.

I think we can presume that the Narada destroyed whatever defense forces Vulcan had, which triggered the distress call in the first place.

Maybe I missed it, but why didn't Nero, after having gone back in time, just go and rescue his wife? Would save him having to be pissed off at the Galaxy.

It was probably ~100 years too early.
 
They didn't have respect for the size of the universe. They made it look small.

I agree with Ebert's criticisms. They were transporting from Saturn to Earth? Or from Delta Vega onto the ship?

And how is it that Spock could see Vulcan from Delta Vega? I also agree that it was convenient how Spock and Scotty both ended up there.

Also, what they were doing for 25 years was hard to fathom. Likewise with the rapid promotions.

And what was the point of firing at the Narada once it was in the grip of the black hole? Why not just turn around and Warp Away right then? How did ejecting the warp core help them escape?

Ebert's a self-aggrandizing douche anyway.
 
The Narada had 25 years to enhance their weapons and shields from their initial encounter with the Kelvin, to the battle with the Federation fleet at Vulcan. As it was only a mining ship, I doubt it would have been that weel armed, so they had time to deal with that issue.

I think we can presume that the Narada destroyed whatever defense forces Vulcan had, which triggered the distress call in the first place.

Do yourself a favor, read the 4 issue comics mini-series, Star Trek: Countdown. :)
 
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