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Jessica Jones-- Marvel/Netflix

Zombie Cheerleader said:
In my estimation, Agent Carter is a lot better than Agents of SHIELD. AOS has only recently shifted out of mediocre territory.
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I also prefer Agent Carter, but to be fair I think a lot of that has to do with AoS being beholden to what's currently going on in the movies and now it seems even setting things up for the whole MCU.
Agent Carter on the other hand is pretty much free to do it's own thing and the lower episode per-season count and the smaller cast allows it to tell a more coherent, character focused story.
 
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Is it good or bad that Agent Carter (the series) is beholden to History?

It's going to veer into and away from some upcoming red letter events.
 
Guy Gardener said:
Is it good or bad that Agent Carter (the series) is beholden to History?

It's going to veer into and away from some upcoming red letter events.
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History is just a thematic backdrop for that show. It's not like they have to write the show around particular events. They can however pick and choose to suit the story they want to tell.

AoS on the other hand pretty much has to go along with whatever the movies are doing.
 
Yeah, but at the same time, AoS is forging some new ground. It introduced several new concepts to the MCU, most notably the Kree (who were later featured significantly in GotG) and Inhumans (who will have their own feature film in the near future, and might make some kind of appearance in the movies before then).

They're more restricted than AC is, but they're still finding ways to contribute to the universe instead of just following along in the movies' wake all the time.
 
^I didn't say AoS was objectively inferior, just why I (slightly) prefer Agent Carter.
 
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I really haven't enjoyed AoS much so far. It's certainly improved towards the end of the last season, but the only character I've really liked is Mockingbird.

I wasn't expecting much from Agent Carter, which we've only just got over here, and I was pleasantly surprised. Daredevil blew me away. I think things are on an upward trend !

I've given in and started on Alias, I'm about half way through and it's great, the best thing I've read for a while. If they capture the tone of the comics it'll fit well with Daredevil.

I realise it'll have to be sanitised somewhat - the smoking, language, sex are unsuitable for something in the MCU (more's the pity) but as Daredevil shows, they can still do gritty.

I'm looking forward to it !
 
^^ Same here. I've liked AOS all along (except for the awkward HYDRA uprising), but AC is really top notch.

Guy Gardener said:
Every story taught us the moral lesson that women are superior to men, not equal, superior.

The deck was stacked.

This show is after a female audience, it was designed to trap females into watching their ad space to sell crap to these women which they probably do not need, so of course Agent Carter (The Show) is pandering to the female audience they covet, by massaging the female audience into a self satisfied stupor where they are receptive, compliant and obedient to the advertising beamed into their brains after they have become detrimentally drunk on feminism.

It's ego stroking.

Harmless ego stroking.

Well, harmless so long as you're not an idiot, and I'm not saying any one is.

Marvel wanted to tap the female demographic, and they did, by any means necessary.

And fair turnabout too, most of the rest of tv does the same thing for, and to men, but I'm too busy getting my ego stroked to notice or give a damn, and besides, I don't watch advertising, so I am beyond all this merky psi-ops crap.
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Actually, I thought the show was pretty good about this. The women-are-superior trope is very common in programming aimed at Millennials, but aside from a few awkward moments-- like the guy in the restaurant in the first episode-- I thought Agent Carter was historically accurate. The men were as protective as they were condescending, and they were generally intelligent and capable of learning, and there were characters, such as the Howling Commandos, who were egalitarian; also, there were female characters, such as the hotel house mother, who bought into contemporary mores.
 
Jar Jar Binks said:
Yeah, but at the same time, AoS is forging some new ground. It introduced several new concepts to the MCU, most notably the Kree (who were later featured significantly in GotG) and Inhumans (who will have their own feature film in the near future, and might make some kind of appearance in the movies before then).

They're more restricted than AC is, but they're still finding ways to contribute to the universe instead of just following along in the movies' wake all the time.
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Remember, it takes years to make a movie. In between the time a movie is set in motion and scripted and the time it comes out, the TV series has plenty of time to pick up the threads that they know will be appearing in future movies and develop storylines that will set them up. As Kevin Feige said the other day, "by the time we start doing a movie, they'd be mid-way through a season. By the time our movie comes out, they'd be done with the second and starting the third season."

So they are following in the movies' wake, as far as the behind-the-scenes creative process is concerned. Ideas like the Kree and the Inhumans are originating in the movie development/scripting process and then being echoed by the TV writers. The only reason it looks to us like the show is doing them first is because TV shows are made so much faster than movies.

It would be different if someone like Daredevil or Kingpin or Talbot showed up in a movie. That would be a case where something began on TV and then got reflected in the movies, and Feige's saying that's likely to happen eventually, but it has not happened yet.
 
So, how much do we have to tie everything in a knot to get a face to face between the new Spider-Man and the Kingpin from Netlix?
 
^Actually, I think that (Spidey/Kingpin) was one of the specific things that Feige said might be possible, or at least hinted at in a vague and noncommittal way that online news sites chose to interpret as saying it was possible.
 
Well they (more or less) have creative control of both characters now, so short of D'Onofrio not wanting to do it, I can't see why it *couldn't* happen.
I wouldn't put money on it happening though. From a story POV, it's hard to see how the psychopath manchild we got to know in Daredevil would crosspaths with a teenage Spider-man who's probably right now grabbing purse snatchers and armed robbers. Particularly now his long term plans are scuppered and has no active bussiness interests for the wall crawler to disrupt, knowingly or otherwise.

In a few years though....perhaps.

Relayer1 said:
I really haven't enjoyed AoS much so far. It's certainly improved towards the end of the last season, but the only character I've really liked is Mockingbird.

I wasn't expecting much from Agent Carter, which we've only just got over here, and I was pleasantly surprised. Daredevil blew me away. I think things are on an upward trend !

I've given in and started on Alias, I'm about half way through and it's great, the best thing I've read for a while. If they capture the tone of the comics it'll fit well with Daredevil.

I realise it'll have to be sanitised somewhat - the smoking, language, sex are unsuitable for something in the MCU (more's the pity) but as Daredevil shows, they can still do gritty.

I'm looking forward to it !
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I personally really like how diverse these shows are in terms of tone, content and overall themes. I love the pulpy noir/early cold war vibe AC has going on, I love the simple popcorn action of AoS and I love how much of a hardcore crime drama Daredevil turned out to be.

Every time someone says "there's too many comic book movies/shows now", I feel compelled to point out that is like saying there are "too many novel adaptations" or "too many biopics".
So long as Marvel keeps placing each new property within it's appropriate genre instead of making them all "comic book movies" (which was Schumacher's primary mistake) the products will be diverse enough that they'll each find their audience.
 
Well, I've done Alias, The New Avengers and I'm on The Mighty Avengers now. I'm all Jessica Jones and Luke Cage'd up...
 
Definitely a theme here. I think that what they're doing is embracing the fact that the character is not widely known and using it to their advantage. They're playing up her "unseen" quality to get us curious. The more of these trailers they release, the more suspense it builds -- just when do we see her face? And they're revealing her more in each trailer. It's really rather deft. I wonder how many more we'll get. They seem to be coming out once a week, I'd guess.
 
Turtletrekker said:
New trailer...

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gax3tMYU4I[/yt]
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Does anyone else think it's a little strange to have that sign in a window five floors up or is that some fire safety thing?

Interesting to note this looks a lot more stylised than the previous two. She's literally walking around in that title sequence they released a few weeks back (Avengers tower and all.)
 
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