Jessica Jones-- Marvel/Netflix

[kirk55555]

Well it's kind of soft trolling... Nothing worth reporting. I guess a PM would have done the trick.

Its not worth reporting because I wasn't trolling. You may disagree with me, but my having an opinion you don't agree with isn't trolling

Well, she was also adapting Twilight, so most of the issues you might have with the series would lie in Stephanie Mayer's shoulders more than Melissa Rosenberg's. It's also worth noting that most of the Twilight fans seemed to be happy with the movies, so she's obviously good at adapting stuff, which is she's going to be doing.
I'm not ready to write off the show just because she did one thing I'm not supposed to like.
And just out of curiosity, have you actually watched the Twilight movies? If you didn't like them do you know that it was Rosenberg's writing that was the problem, and not Mayer's books?
I'm going to go and admit something here, but I watched the first Twilight movie, and I actually enjoyed it.

I'll admit that adapting the story is different than writing it, and I'm sure the books were horrible to begin with. I never bothered to watch the movies because I'm really not in its demographic. Still, its certainly not a good thing that the person put in charge of a Marvel show has Twilight as some of her biggest credits.

Also, I will point out that her only superhero work before JJ was Birds of Prey (she wrote 4 episodes and produced 6 episodes), and that show didn't adapt any BoP comic stories, it just adapted the premise (and even then it didn't really do that, when you conisder how Helena and fake Black Canary where basically nothing like the comic versions). BoP the show was a bunch of angsty romance stuff, with one or two great casting choices and a few decent episodes in an overall mediocre show. She obviously wasn't in charge of the show, but she did a decent amount of stuff and it definitely doesn't make me want to see what she'd do with marvel characters.

 

[Jedi_Master]

Well if it is half as good as Daredevil, it will be amazing. Looking forward to watching it.

 

[Guy Gardener]

DECISION TIME!

Are you going to be a book person shitting on the tv show or a tv person shitting on the book?

You've been in a Game of Thrones thread, you know how this works.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

That's the scary thing I have with reading Alias. I have faith they can do a good story - Daredevil changed some things but was still faithful. However, Jessica Jones has a much more cohesive story, which could cause the changes to stand out more. I want to read the comic, but I'm worried it could hurt my enjoyment of the show.

 

[gblews]

Well, she worked as a consulting producer on one episode of Boston Public and wrote one episode of Ally McBeal according to IMDB, so they're barely relevant to her career.

Sooo, what you're saying is that it's too small a sample to draw any meaningful conclusions about this person's writing ability.

I see,,,,

 

[kirk55555]

Well, she worked as a consulting producer on one episode of Boston Public and wrote one episode of Ally McBeal according to IMDB, so they're barely relevant to her career.

Sooo, what you're saying is that it's too small a sample to draw any meaningful conclusions about this person's writing ability.

I see,,,,

Yeah, but 4 episodes written and six produced by her of a mediocre comic book based show are definitely a fair sample of her abilities, and it even works well as a specific comparison to this show

 

[Turtletrekker]

And it's not like she actually wrote "Twilight". She adapted it screen and by all accounts somehow managed to improve the story (This is what I've been told. I've never actually read or seen "Twilight" myself.)

 

[Guy Gardener]

Mediocre?

In your mind then, what is a great comic book?

 

[kirk55555]

Mediocre?

In your mind then, what is a great comic book?

I was saying the show was mediocre, not the comic. I guess I worded it weird. Basically, I meant

Mediocre, comic based show

not

mediocre comic based show

The Birds of Prey comic (pre 2011 reboot) was great to amazing, and one of my favorite DC comics series ever. The show was generally mediocre, although the actors playing Barbara Gordon and Alfred were great.

And it's not like she actually wrote "Twilight". She adapted it screen and by all accounts somehow managed to improve the story (This is what I've been told. I've never actually read or seen "Twilight" myself.)

Yeah, that's why I switched to talking about her work on another female lead superhero show, Birds of Prey. It is unfair to lay the problems of a horrible book on her. She was just paid to do the screenplay to some bad books. But, Birds of Prey only took the premise from the comics, the stories she wrote and produced were original (they weren't even loosely based on any of the BoP comics), so their (lack) of quality was more directly related to her ability as a writer/producer.

 

[gblews]

Well, she worked as a consulting producer on one episode of Boston Public and wrote one episode of Ally McBeal according to IMDB, so they're barely relevant to her career.

Sooo, what you're saying is that it's too small a sample to draw any meaningful conclusions about this person's writing ability.

I see,,,,

Yeah, but 4 episodes written and six produced by her of a mediocre comic book based show are definitely a fair sample of her abilities, and it even works well as a specific comparison to this show

Sooo, what you're saying is that a larger sample of a person's work does give one more of an ability to draw meaningful conclusions about that person's overall abilities.

That right?

 

[kirk55555]

Sooo, what you're saying is that it's too small a sample to draw any meaningful conclusions about this person's writing ability.

I see,,,,

Yeah, but 4 episodes written and six produced by her of a mediocre comic book based show are definitely a fair sample of her abilities, and it even works well as a specific comparison to this show

Sooo, what you're saying is that a larger sample of a person's work does give one more of an ability to draw meaningful conclusions about that person's overall abilities.

That right?

Well, it depends. An actor probably doesn't need as big a sample. You can probably form a personal opinion on an actor from one or two appearances, especially if you're also paying attention to what the majority of their roles were. For example (and totally hypothetically ) if, say, an actress puts on a horrible role in an episode of an action/drama, and besides that role is mostly known for a lame comedy show and a small recurring guest role on a popular drama, you can probably get enough data to make the assumption that this hypothetical actress will suck horribly as a superhero, even if you have little experience with the actress

Even a writer/producer probably doesn't need a huge sample, but the JJ showrunner definitely has a lot of strikes against her. Her other superhero work wasn't good, and that was literally the only thing she's ever done that even remotely resembled Jessica Jones. Unless Jessica Jones is taking inspiration from Doctor Quinn, Medicine Woman, I don't see it going well, even if it had a better lead actress.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Why would Daredevil starring a woman, make less money than Daredevil unless America hates women.

 

[Reverend]

Why would Daredevil starring a woman, make less money than Daredevil unless America hates women.

Did you just answer your own question?

Seriously though, I think the only real disadvantage here would be that "Daredevil" is a known (though relatively obscure to the movie/TV audiences) Marvel brand, while *nobody* outside of actual comic book readers even know who Jessica Jones is.
Plus of course using just her rather ordinary sounding name as the title isn't exactly giving the uninitiated much of a clue what it's about.

Not that I have a better idea mind you. Something to the effect of "Jessica Jones: Superhero PI" would have been way too on the nose.

Of course if the show is a hit (I certainly hope so) that will all change.

 

[RJDiogenes]

That's the scary thing I have with reading Alias. I have faith they can do a good story - Daredevil changed some things but was still faithful. However, Jessica Jones has a much more cohesive story, which could cause the changes to stand out more. I want to read the comic, but I'm worried it could hurt my enjoyment of the show.

You should read the book. It's great, and probably the best thing to come out of the Max imprint. Even if it compromises your enjoyment of the show, you'll still be ahead overall in the enjoyment department.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Should I have put a question mark in there?

(You broke my code?) "Daredevil staring a woman" = Jessica Jones.

How does the Licensing figure out?

On one hand Jessica must be much, much, much cheaper to licence than Daredevil you would think, which cuts down production costs, which makes profit easier... ALTHOUGH Jessica Jones could fall under the Greater Daredevil Umbrella, that would make her a "gift with purchase" just like Kingpin, Bullseye, Elektra and the rest of Matt Murdock's licensed gallery. Now while this "may" be true, Power Man and Iron Fist despite being smalltime forgotten seventies jokes that can't seem to die, they would definitely be separate items that would have to bargained for and bought separately... Which doesn't discount the notion of a package deal?

Jessica is the linkle (NEW WORD!) between Daredevil and Luke Cage, and could easily be the gift with purchase attached to either greater commodity... So yeah, 3 possibilities.

1. Jessica Jones is a bibbob attached to Daredevil's licensing gallery.

2. Jessica Jones is a Bibbob attached to Power Man and Ironfist's licensing gallery.

3. Jessica was not free. She/it matters. Netflix paid extra to have her. They wanted her.

(4) I still think it's weird as #### to have a Defenders (although it happens a lot) without Doctor Strange, Namor the Submariner and the Hulk.

 

[Reverend]

Right now I'm rather curious how they're going to adapt her backstory into the established MCU continuity.

Given that public superheroes weren't a thing prior to the Avengers the most likely scenarios are: 1) She was a SHIELD agent recruited off the index (like Deathlok) and the "incident" with the Purple Man happened right around the time of TWS, which is why nobody even noticed she was even gone. 2) She was a vigilante wannabe (also, probably on the index, but told to stay put) who had the bad luck of running into Purple straight out of the gate.

I think the former would make more sense since the feeling of abandonment and neglect informs her decision to turn her back on that world.

Not sure how the timing of the Purple Man thing would work exactly. At first I thought it'd be fun if he was one of those that Ward let out of the Fridge, but that would mean he's been at large again for several years. I suppose he could have got out only to be scooped up again by Talbot, but that's perhaps unnecessarily convoluted.

Plus, I think it'd work better if this whole thing went down more than just a few years ago. Something more on the order of 5-7 years, which would give it more time to fester, make it credible that she was a naive teen at the time and allow her time to become a (more or less) functional person again.
It would also put it around the time of Iron Man 2/Thor/Hulk...which now I think about it might tie in to the original Avengers Initiative, possibly even prt of the reason it stalled?

Random thought: since they can't use Jean Grey in this, what if afterwards they sent her to T.A.H.I.T.I.?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Not only can they not use... Oh.

I was going to say that pat thing about how S.H.I.E.L.D. says that telepathy doesn't exist... But what about the Mind Stone?

That'd cross Jessica against Loki (in the unwilling service of Loki?) and throw the girl into Anvengers I, but slightly off camera.

 

[Reverend]

^Not sure how that would work as Jean Grey helped rehabilitate her. I can't see Loki using his glowstick of destiny to give the agents he brainjacked some PTSD therapy.

Plus, look what it did to Erik. That was anything but helpful. Actually, that now has me wondering how Hawkeye wasn't affected anywhere near as severely as Selvig. Perhaps he took a trip to TAHITI too?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Loki Jumped inside Selvig and rode him like a go-cart.

Hawkeye had his loyalty and goals adjusted.

Completely different levels of violation.



I wasn't thinking that Loki went out of his way to repair Jessica, but if she was in a Coma, and the Mind Stone reached out to her, then as a by-product of turning the lady into a usable agent and soldier, she was collaterally instifixed.

But really I was just responding to your use of the word "telepathy", when they could just use a different Hypnotist, or psychiatrist like Moonstone or Doc Sampson, if she doesn't just even wake up on her own accord without help.

 

[Reverend]

The reason I thought about TAHITI is that (without getting into spoilers for those who haven't read 'Alias') Jean's role serves a very specific plot function that can't be substituted with a normal psychiatrist. It'd have to be something quite a bit more substantive and it's what we know for a fact SHIELD had access to.