Jessica Jones-- Marvel/Netflix

[Guy Gardener]

Oh, wow.

My mind just went someplace bizarre.

Moonstone is sexy as hell but a little sick in the head. She doesn't have to be evil, but she doesn't have to be good either. Which I suppose is what a sociopath is, rather than a psychopath... Point is that she spent a couple years sharing a bed with Hawkeye when he led the Thunderbolts (Marvel's version of the Suicide Squad/Dirty Dozen.). They gave Hawkeye a civilian wife, so that we would stop saying that he's supposed to be with Mockingbird on AoS or Black Widow in the Avengers (is Spider-Woman going to be in Jessica Jones? She also survived a relaitonship with Hawkeye. Clint Barton is a huge slut.), but what if Laura Barton is not who we think she is?

Full immersion live action psychotherapy?

The Wife is Moonstone (on a retainer from Nick Fury), and the kids are Robots.

 

[JD]

Well it's kind of soft trolling... Nothing worth reporting. I guess a PM would have done the trick.

Its not worth reporting because I wasn't trolling. You may disagree with me, but my having an opinion you don't agree with isn't trolling

Well, she was also adapting Twilight, so most of the issues you might have with the series would lie in Stephanie Mayer's shoulders more than Melissa Rosenberg's. It's also worth noting that most of the Twilight fans seemed to be happy with the movies, so she's obviously good at adapting stuff, which is she's going to be doing.
I'm not ready to write off the show just because she did one thing I'm not supposed to like.
And just out of curiosity, have you actually watched the Twilight movies? If you didn't like them do you know that it was Rosenberg's writing that was the problem, and not Mayer's books?
I'm going to go and admit something here, but I watched the first Twilight movie, and I actually enjoyed it.

I'll admit that adapting the story is different than writing it, and I'm sure the books were horrible to begin with. I never bothered to watch the movies because I'm really not in its demographic. Still, its certainly not a good thing that the person put in charge of a Marvel show has Twilight as some of her biggest credits.

Also, I will point out that her only superhero work before JJ was Birds of Prey (she wrote 4 episodes and produced 6 episodes), and that show didn't adapt any BoP comic stories, it just adapted the premise (and even then it didn't really do that, when you conisder how Helena and fake Black Canary where basically nothing like the comic versions). BoP the show was a bunch of angsty romance stuff, with one or two great casting choices and a few decent episodes in an overall mediocre show. She obviously wasn't in charge of the show, but she did a decent amount of stuff and it definitely doesn't make me want to see what she'd do with marvel characters.

A writer's skill can't improve in 14 years? Not to mention the fact that we can assume she won't be writing every episode of Jesssica Jones herself.
Maybe Birds of Prey wasn't a good fit for her and Jessica Jones will be. I have a feeling this will be a very different kind of show than Birds of Prey was, and perhaps she writes in this style better than she did the BoP style.
I know I'm defending the show without having seen it, but at this point I trust Marvel to pick the right people for their productions, so if they trust her to do a good job on Jessica Jones then so do I.

 

[Christopher]

I know I'm defending the show without having seen it...

Better than condemning it without having seen it. It's just basic courtesy to give others the benefit of the doubt.

 

[kirk55555]

I know I'm defending the show without having seen it, but at this point I trust Marvel to pick the right people for their productions, so if they trust her to do a good job on Jessica Jones then so do I.

I used to trust Marvel's TV people, then I tried to watch Agent Carter. After that, I'm a lot more suspicious of their non-movie stuff. I still go into all the movies with a positive attitude, but the TV people are different people, and they already screwed up one show, and that had a great character/actress combination. So, seeing who they've hired to star and run JJ, combined with my distrust in the Tv branch (I know its netflix not TV, but its still different than the movie people so I'm lumping Netflix shows with tV), and I have my negative opinion of Jessica Jones and my lack of trust that Marvel will get it right.

 

[theenglish]

JD has a point. Marvel has had a pretty good track record so far and the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. If the Marvel execs had not been happy with what they were seeing from the show runners then those people would have been replaced a long time ago.

As for Kirk5555, if you didn't like Agent Carter, and SHIELD then that's fine--but my guess is if you didn't like Daredevil then Jessica Jones probably won't be for you either.

 

[kirk55555]

JD has a point. Marvel has had a pretty good track record so far and the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. If the Marvel execs had not been happy with what they were seeing from the show runners then those people would have been replaced a long time ago.

As for Kirk5555, if you didn't like Agent Carter, and SHIELD then that's fine--but my guess is if you didn't like Daredevil then Jessica Jones probably won't be for you either.

I loved Daredevil, and I like a lot of SHIELD (after about episode 8 of season 1), I just hate a few of the characters in AoS. To be fair, Agent Carter is nothing like AoS or Daredevil.

Jessica Jones does have AC beat, since it at least has Cage and Purple Man to bring some decent characters to the show, unlike AC where everyone not named Peggy was either a complete a-hole or an outright monster. Still, the woman who plays Peggy Carter is a good actress with a good character that just happens to be in a show that was done horribly. Jessica Jones has a bad lead actress in a show being made by someone whose record involves being mostly involved with garbage. Marvel hired the people who made Agent carter, so obviously it does sometimes hire people who suck. They seemed to have made similar bad hiring choices with Jessica Jones, at least in my opinion, although I'm sure JJ will be bad in a completely different way then AC was.

 

[Nerys Myk]

In my estimation, Agent Carter is a lot better than Agents of SHIELD. AOS has only recently shifted out of mediocre territory.

 

[JD]

I seriously don't think I have ever met anyone who's tastes and opinions are as completely opposite of mine, and what seem to the overall average, then you, Kirk55555.
I thought Agent Carter was great, and I while some of the SSR guy were asses, I liked Jarvis, Sousa, and Angie. Even the guys who were asses, I still thought interesting character. Even if a character is unlikeble, they can still be interesting and you can still like following them on a TV show. Hell, that's how shows like Breaking Bad, House, The Shield (the cop show not the Marvel show), Game of Thrones, and The Sopranos were able to be successes.
I thought Dottie was a great villain and a nice female nemesis for Peggy.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Agent Carter was deflated programming.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I was out of comics when Jessica Jones was created and only really know of her as Luke Cage's wife and the mother of his child in the Avengers. I've not been interested enough to find the back issues, so a single, childless JJ is a new character for me.No real idea who the character is at this stage of her life. Ritter has been good in the past, so that's a selling point.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Agent Carter was deflated programming.

I've no idea what that means.

 

[Borgminister]

Agent Carter was deflated programming.

I've no idea what that means.

She rather inflated me...

 

[Guy Gardener]

Agent Carter was deflated programming.

I've no idea what that means.

In sports something called "deflategate" happened recently.

 

[JD]

How is that related to Agent Carter?

 

[Nerys Myk]

How is that related to Agent Carter?

What he said.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Every story taught us the moral lesson that women are superior to men, not equal, superior.

The deck was stacked.

This show is after a female audience, it was designed to trap females into watching their ad space to sell crap to these women which they probably do not need, so of course Agent Carter (The Show) is pandering to the female audience they covet, by massaging the female audience into a self satisfied stupor where they are receptive, compliant and obedient to the advertising beamed into their brains after they have become detrimentally drunk on feminism.

It's ego stroking.

Harmless ego stroking.

Well, harmless so long as you're not an idiot, and I'm not saying any one is.

Marvel wanted to tap the female demographic, and they did, by any means necessary.

And fair turnabout too, most of the rest of tv does the same thing for, and to men, but I'm too busy getting my ego stroked to notice or give a damn, and besides, I don't watch advertising, so I am beyond all this merky psi-ops crap.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Every story taught us the moral lesson that women are superior to men, not equal, superior.

The deck was stacked.

This show is after a female audience, it was designed to trap females into watching their ad space to sell crap to these women which they probably do not need, so of course Agent Carter (The Show) is pandering to the female audience they covet, by massaging the female audience into a self satisfied stupor where they are receptive, compliant and obedient to the advertising beamed into their brains after they have become detrimentally drunk on feminism.

It's ego stroking.

Harmless ego stroking.

Well, harmless so long as you're not an idiot, and I'm not saying any one is.

Marvel wanted to tap the female demographic, and they did, by any means necessary.

And fair turnabout too, most of the rest of tv does the same thing for, and to men, but I'm too busy getting my ego stroked to notice or give a damn, and besides, I don't watch advertising, so I am beyond all this merky psi-ops crap.

I guess I missed that subtext. I thought she was just the latest in a long line of kick ass women in film and TV.

So, you're saying they want us to buy the stuff in the adverts. Interesting.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Almost everyone needs to buy soap.

Sure Peggy is kick ass, but in an effort to show her kicking ass, the producers seemed to have dumbed down, and defanged her bad guys.

She is fighting remedial level evil.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Almost everyone needs to buy soap.

Sure Peggy is kick ass, but in an effort to show her kicking ass, the producers seemed to have dumbed down, and defanged her bad guys.

She is fighting remedial level evil.

Can't say I noticed. They seemed to be at the usual level of intelligence and menace for TV badguys.

 

[Guy Gardener]

It's probably because it's 1947, and sexism is "allowed" but I found it grating every time someone says or thinks something like "How come you can beat me up, you're just a girl, girls can't beat me up because I'm a man!" or "How did you do that, you're not a man, you can't do strong brave things, because you're only a woman."

Black Widow is hard core, but she's got the same issues in play.

Everyone foolishly underestimates her because she's a woman, and then they die because women can be very effective.

It's just an endless cavalcade of foolish underestimates.

(6 episodes a year ago. Wow. That is a while ago. I really don't remember #### all about this show beyond the bare plot. I'm probably completely exaggerating that this is a problem, since I'm the only one who noticed.)