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Jeri slams Chakotay/7

Janeway dying at the very end would have made her like Hackman in The Poseidon Adventure.

But what's the point of killing off a character in the finale? You don't get much out of it dramatically, since everyone's going away anyway, and you kill the potential for spin-off stuff.

In my case: I just like angst. :lol:
 
Perhaps because she was supposed to die and every one else was supposed to live in the original time line, so it would have been a really dick move if she survived in the new time line at the expense of perhaps more than half the crew... It's a question of guilt.
 
Janeway dying at the very end would have made her like Hackman in The Poseidon Adventure.

But what's the point of killing off a character in the finale? You don't get much out of it dramatically, since everyone's going away anyway, and you kill the potential for spin-off stuff.

In my case: I just like angst. :lol:

I'm with froot, it's all about the angst.



That, and I like to cry
 
*pops in the ol' Titanic VHS* :lol:

Have you seen The Time Traveler's Wife or The Notebook?


lurok I like crying because after you cry the whole world seems better and life seems not as hard. It's a very psychological thing :)
 
Perhaps because she was supposed to die and every one else was supposed to live in the original time line, so it would have been a really dick move if she survived in the new time line at the expense of perhaps more than half the crew... It's a question of guilt.

Ooooo. It would be like one of those paradoxes. Janeway comes back to change who lives/dies and fails. Hmmm.

Dunno. Still think that it would have been a noble act on Seven's part, and it would have motivated the rest of the crew to go back and save her--maybe with Axum's help. *the plot is unfolding in my imagination . . . :drool: *

She wouldn't even have to be assimilated. Just leave her behind in the DQ (like she wanted in a previous episode). Janeway would still go back for her.
 
Kira/Odo was a bit odd when it finally happened. At least they had a story arc about it though.

Seems to me the problem Jeri had was that it just landed on them in the finale. It was pretty much pointless.
 
I've read all three varieties of fanfic. And I've come to realize that of all of them, the C/7 is the most palatable to read. It's not as dumb as J/7, nor as soapish as J/C (where many stories have Chakotay crying in every. damn. chapter!)

I've read all three varieties as well and each one you can find examples of great storytelling as well as some true stinkers. I agree about the soap opera qualities that are given to these characters but I see that happening in all three varieties.
 
Thank for the link to Jery`s interview.
I think, this part is really interesting.
It's not that I didn't buy it ... My problem with that relationship was that it came out of the blue. They had started the set-up of the relationship a few episodes earlier, in the episode ("Human Error") where Seven was experimenting with her humanity on the holodeck. And so she sort of fell in love with Chakotay there. They said something like her could never have these sorts of relationships because she would die, or whatever. The next episode that we shot after that ("Natural Law"), Seven and Chakotay were stranded on some planet together. We specifically asked the producers - Robert and I - "Now, are we going to play this? Is this going to go somewhere? Because, obviously, we'd need to carry something over from ... " And they said, "No, no, no, no! Absolutely not. Don't play any of that. Nothing's going to happen."
What the hell happend to the writers?????
4!!!! episodes before the end of the series with C/7 they told RB and Jery that Nothing's going to happen.
I can`t believe it.

Robert Beltran is right about the writers.

According to the dvd interviews "Human Error" was supposed to be the start of a tragic arc for Seven where she would end up dying to save the ship in the finale. When whats-his-face left for "Enterprise" the remaining writers decided to not go the tragic arc route so things were shuffled around at the last minute. C7 was something for Seven to do since the characters tragic arc was eliminated.
 
Plugged into her alcove or plugged into the Indian.

I don't see much difference.

The conversation is about as rewarding.

Although...

Seven is a junkie for being in a hive mind true?

It's her junk.

Chakotay's religion revolves around accessing "Animal Spirtit guides" via a hive mind link between two and theoretically more parties.

Chuckles dealt her junk.

It's the very definition of a crackwhore.

She wasn't "going" (dating) with Chakotay or progressing towards marriage with the XO without a self serving motive, Seven of Nine just needed an "in" with his Religion which didn't for appearances sake look recreational, exploitative and abusive.

You've head the little preteen Methodist brats winging: "but Mooommy Eli Goldstein gets 8 Christmas' in a row! EIGHT! I want 8 days of Christmas' too and I want them now!'

The grass is always greener.
 
I agree with Jeri Ryan though the makers of Voyager did mess that 'relationship' up it should've been handled better than rushed into the last episode like it was.
 
Chakotay/7 was the worst Trek relationship of all time, it even beat out Worf/Troi for me by quite a bit.

In fact it was the worst relationship I have ever seen on a major TV show period. Even all these years later it damages the series to me as it damaged three of the four major relationships/friendships on the show Doctor/7, J/7, and J/C.

The only thing new here is Jeri confirmed what I always suspected that the relationship wasn't something planned out at all even in the 7th season.
 
It's not just the relationship. The dialogue is awful. Makes the Angry Warrior speech sound like Shakespeare. :lol:
 
Chakotay/7 was the worst Trek relationship of all time, it even beat out Worf/Troi for me by quite a bit.

In fact it was the worst relationship I have ever seen on a major TV show period.
Even Apollo/Diwalla of nuBSG?
 
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