Jeri slams Chakotay/7

[HoneyBLilly]

But Mair, I tend to agree with your theory. And KM wasn't keen on Janeway getting together with any of the crew besides, which does make my little J/C heart sad.

But, you know, fanfic.

If Kate were at all vindictive it's a plausible theory.

Plus it feeds the possibility that there was "something" going on between them before she married Hagan.


Fanfic is awesome. *watches husband pack an overnight bag for Liam* And I'll finally be able to write in ten minutes

 

[Guy Gardener]

In his mind all that would be happening as justification for moving on her 10 thousand times faster than he did on Janeway, that the Indian might even bed her by the 8th date.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Perhaps because she was blonde.

But Mair, I tend to agree with your theory. And KM wasn't keen on Janeway getting together with any of the crew besides, which does make my little J/C heart sad.

But, you know, fanfic.

And yes, die-hard C/7ers are for real. There's quite a few around fanfiction.net. It's funny how the J/C/7 love triangle works! LOL J/Cers are frosty towards 7, J/7ers generally want to airlock Chakotay, and a lot of C/7ers wish Janeway would die in a plasma fire.

EDIT: There have been "Die, Seven, Die" and "Die, Chakotay, Die" fic challenges, but I dunno if they ever made a "Die, Janeway, Die" challenge.

They write C/7 fanfic?!?

I can't find the words to express myself about this. It's less *facepalm* and more *palm-strike*

 

[HoneyBLilly]

They write C/7 fanfic?!?

I can't find the words to express myself about this. It's less *facepalm* and more *palm-strike*

There is. Luckily I'm not one of those people who reads or watches things she doesn't like, so I've never read them

Or instead of palm-strike . . . .

 

[Guy Gardener]

it's a faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake!

 

[JanewayRulz!]

I always assumed she praised it because it got "Chakotay" out of "Janeway's" love life.

Obviously the woman and I differ in this regard... but I won't tell her if you won't.

I'd believe that, if she hadn't made the comment about how they should have an episode of he and Robert staring at each other called "The Gaze"

"The Gaze"???

Oh... you mean that AU episode starring Captain Janeway and Commander Chakotay portraying two 20th century actors known as Kate Mulgrew and Robert Beltran.



I understand things got pretty hot and heavy at the end of that particular ep, so TPTB shelved it rather than fight with the UPN censors.

 

[Timewalker]

But, you know, fanfic.

And yes, die-hard C/7ers are for real. There's quite a few around fanfiction.net. It's funny how the J/C/7 love triangle works! LOL J/Cers are frosty towards 7, J/7ers generally want to airlock Chakotay, and a lot of C/7ers wish Janeway would die in a plasma fire.

They write C/7 fanfic?!?

I've read all three varieties of fanfic. And I've come to realize that of all of them, the C/7 is the most palatable to read. It's not as dumb as J/7, nor as soapish as J/C (where many stories have Chakotay crying in every. damn. chapter!)

There's one where "Endgame" never happened, and Voyager finds Seven's parents on a Borg cube. They rescue them, and Seven has to come to terms with whether or not to forgive the parents who, in turn, have to come to terms with their own guilt and that they remember their daughter as a little girl instead of an adult. The C/7 part of this story complements the action, instead of intruding.

As a viewer, I thought the relationship should have stayed Seven's holodeck experiment. I thought it was horrible. But the fanfic is actually quite good.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

There are rabid Chakotay fans??

There are. They are more often than not female. I have actually only seen a few guys who even like Chakotay.

I was one when I was a teen, all of those years ago.

You were a guy who liked Chakotay?!!!

 

[HoneyBLilly]

There are rabid Chakotay fans??

There are. They are more often than not female. I have actually only seen a few guys who even like Chakotay.

I was one when I was a teen, all of those years ago.

You were a guy who liked Chakotay?!!!

Uhhhh . . . . . Maybe



In all seriousness, I was not. I was very much a fangirl when it came to Chakotay/Robert Beltran.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Oh mair you tease me with your secret past!

Okay I will repeat myself as far as J/C goes. Chak was just an upgrade from holo Chak. A safe, pleasant enough male to practice being an adult woman in a relationship with. He would never hurt 7 and be ever patient with her. He would also never be enough and she would soon be over him, but he serves a very good role in launching 7 into real relationships. He's just not bright enough to see that's whats going on, though he has a good enough heart to step away at the end and know he's done well by her. In that context I approve of J/C. Undying love, no. Excellent learning experience for 7, yes.

 

[HoneyBLilly]

Oh mair you tease me with your secret past!

Okay I will repeat myself as far as J/C goes. Chak was just an upgrade from holo Chak. A safe, pleasant enough male to practice being an adult woman in a relationship with. He would never hurt 7 and be ever patient with her. He would also never be enough and she would soon be over him, but he serves a very good role in launching 7 into real relationships. He's just not bright enough to see that's whats going on, though he has a good enough heart to step away at the end and know he's done well by her. In that context I approve of J/C. Undying love, no. Excellent learning experience for 7, yes.

But what about my secret present

I like your point, I'm not as hostile when it comes to C/7 as I was back when it first happened and all I could hear whenever those three/four scenes would start was "There once was an ancient legend of my people . . . "

But there's a reason why the one episode Chakotay has a pair, Manuevers, is one of my absolute favorites. I like slightly dangerous/impulsive men.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Oh mair you tease me with your secret past!

Okay I will repeat myself as far as J/C goes. Chak was just an upgrade from holo Chak. A safe, pleasant enough male to practice being an adult woman in a relationship with. He would never hurt 7 and be ever patient with her. He would also never be enough and she would soon be over him, but he serves a very good role in launching 7 into real relationships. He's just not bright enough to see that's whats going on, though he has a good enough heart to step away at the end and know he's done well by her. In that context I approve of J/C. Undying love, no. Excellent learning experience for 7, yes.

But what about my secret present

I like your point, I'm not as hostile when it comes to C/7 as I was back when it first happened and all I could hear whenever those three/four scenes would start was "There once was an ancient legend of my people . . . "

But there's a reason why the one episode Chakotay has a pair, Manuevers, is one of my absolute favorites. I like slightly dangerous/impulsive men.

A COOCHIE MOYA!

 

[HoneyBLilly]

*dramatic tone* We are far from the bones of our ancestors.



He's like on repeat.


Now I'm off to the Red Light District to moonlight as a stripper named Sugar Silverwhip

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

*dramatic tone* We are far from the bones of our ancestors.

He's like on repeat.

Have you no RESPECT mair?

Okay, maybe not

Now I'm off to the Red Light District to moonlight as a stripper named Sugar Silverwhip

whut?

 

[HoneyBLilly]

*dramatic tone* We are far from the bones of our ancestors.

He's like on repeat.

Have you no RESPECT mair?

Okay, maybe not

I did. And then his only lines became "Aye Captain"

Imagine if he said that during one of vision quests.

Now I'm off to the Red Light District to moonlight as a stripper named Sugar Silverwhip

whut?

My "secret present"

I'm secretly a high class stripper in New Orleans . . . . . NOT!

 

[Shazam!]

There are rabid Chakotay fans??

There are Chakotay fans?

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I remember when Scarlett went to New Orleans..

You want to be Belle, don't you. It's okay, you can admit it.

 

[HoneyBLilly]

Belle Watling was high class. And that's the color of my hair currently
Who wants to be Scarlett O'Hara who has Rhett Butler's heart when you can be the high class stripper who spends more time with him?

 

[JanewayRulz!]

mairbeariepie wrote:

I did. And then his only lines became "Aye Captain"

Imagine if he said that during one of vision quests.

 

[AuntKate]

But, you know, fanfic.

And yes, die-hard C/7ers are for real. There's quite a few around fanfiction.net. It's funny how the J/C/7 love triangle works! LOL J/Cers are frosty towards 7, J/7ers generally want to airlock Chakotay, and a lot of C/7ers wish Janeway would die in a plasma fire.

They write C/7 fanfic?!?

I've read all three varieties of fanfic. And I've come to realize that of all of them, the C/7 is the most palatable to read. It's not as dumb as J/7, nor as soapish as J/C (where many stories have Chakotay crying in every. damn. chapter!)

There's one where "Endgame" never happened, and Voyager finds Seven's parents on a Borg cube. They rescue them, and Seven has to come to terms with whether or not to forgive the parents who, in turn, have to come to terms with their own guilt and that they remember their daughter as a little girl instead of an adult. The C/7 part of this story complements the action, instead of intruding.

As a viewer, I thought the relationship should have stayed Seven's holodeck experiment. I thought it was horrible. But the fanfic is actually quite good.

About the fanfic comment. There are good and bad fanfics in every pairing, and, yeah, I have read a lot of all of them. Not all of the J/C fanfic has a weepy Chakotay, of course. In fact, I'd say that's the exception, not the rule.

I am a J/Cer, as everyone probably knows, but I can tolerate decent J/7 and even C/7, now and then. My problem with those two pairings has a common element--I think Seven is just too immature to be involved seriously with either Janeway or Chakotay for long. I don't think Janeway would "take advantage" of her that way, and I think Chakotay would find her uninteresting (and vice versa). Add to that the fact that Janeway is about as straight as they come and, well, it just doesn't fit.

However, I think it's great that people continue to write about these characters, whatever pairing they prefer.