Jeri slams Chakotay/7

[propita]

Both adored Janeway in their own way, yet fought with her. No one else on board so consistently disagreed with Janeway while continuing to support her.

You're suggesting that individually they didn't stand a chance of bedding the captain, and this whole "relationship" was just a cunning ruse to consolidate their positive attributes into a single unit that might catch Janeway's eye?

Barney went on about this on "How I met your mother": "I'm a Nine, which means that I can approach without any fuss an 8, a 9 or a 10 and expect to have decent returns, however depending on what's available, I may have to settle for a number of women that add up to nine, like a 4 and a 5, or 3 threes or if the night intends on getting really freaking 4 twos and a one."

So it's really just a question about how Chuckles, Seven and Janeway are arbitrarily "rated" by the fickle hotnessmeter.

No, not suggesting that. More suggesting that this was a personality trait or willingness to act that they had in common, like the other things in common. Both were willing to support someone they repeatedly strongly disagreed with.

I still don’t like C/7 because for a number of reasons. I would’ve been willing to accept it more had it been led up to. Like most of the characters, there was little examination of the characters in how they related to each other beyond superficiality.

I enjoyed DS9, too--but I resent that Voyager’s characters didn’t get the more fleshed-out characterization that DS9’s characters (even the second and third tier characters) got. I mean, seriously, we knew more about Morn’s motivations than Harry’s! Not a slam against either/ANY actor, but when writers either don’t or aren’t allowed to develop the characters, actors can only do so much. For all the storylines on Seven, she wasn’t really allowed to grow--she was constantly reset. I’m sure it made for more interesting stories, but stories resulting in character growth would’ve been better.

 

[Guy Gardener]

No, not suggesting that. More suggesting that this was a personality trait or willingness to act that they had in common, like the other things in common. Both were willing to support someone they repeatedly strongly disagreed with.

The doormats are unionizing, so that together the can buckle and back up over their valued principles even more quickly and with greater efficiency?

Remember when Spike used to get harmony to dress up as Buffy and they'd role play a hunt that would end in a blond on blond ravishing?

Can you imagine Chakotay getting Seven to wear a bun of steal and... and... What exactly does Chakotay do for a living if one was trying to apply pornovision to his workplace performance and routine?

 

[Mareika]

Robert Beltran about "Chakotay dating Seven".
It seems as if both- RB and Jery- liked to date.
But we know that both of them didn`t like what the writers did with the characters in "Endgame"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKqrcO7NOKs

 

[Capt.Jaysee]

two words as to why Chakotay would go for Janeway over Seven........




Living Witness.

 

[Ayesakara]

Nah, we just had "Die J/C Die." And you'd've thunk we'd committed the most heinous sin. The rules were that you couldn't kill off any character, even Janeway.


I wrote a couple of C/7 fics--and won "Die J/C Die. According to J/Cers I am reasonably competent as a writer but am obviously seriously emotionally stunted. My late sweetie would disagree, but I'm sure that a bunch of people who've read my fic know me better than he.


As to Jeri's interview, Guy is right. If you read the entire interview, she didn't "slam" C/7, she said they should have built up to it. Most everyone who likes C/7 agrees.


As for who C/7 fans are... I'm a Seven fan first.


Yeah, we exist, too. Bummer, huh?

I thought the original site was lost with geocities gone, but I did a google search for it, and someone has created a mirror here:

http://www.oocities.org/thespiritwalk/jc.html



And yes, C/7ers exist. I was always a Chakotay fan first, but I loved Seven, and I adored C/7.

 

[{ Emilia }]

But I don't see Kate being a vindictive Taurus like I am

Lol, what?

I just have to bring up Garrett Wang's amazing, chaotic, long podcast interview with geekson.com where he basically tells everybody how much of a terrible person Kate Mulgrew is and that she made filming and working on set hell for everybody (specially Jeri Ryan). I think Mulgrew doesn't get nearly as much bad press as she deserves.

You can find the interview link here btw: Link
Be warned, it's like 2h long, and they discuss all kinds of stuff (like what it's like to become an actor) but it's the most open discussion I've ever heard about what Voyager and the Berman-Crew was like.

 

[exodus]

But I don't see Kate being a vindictive Taurus like I am

Lol, what?

I just have to bring up Garrett Wang's amazing, chaotic, long podcast interview with geekson.com where he basically tells everybody how much of a terrible person Kate Mulgrew is and that she made filming and working on set hell for everybody (specially Jeri Ryan). I think Mulgrew doesn't get nearly as much bad press as she deserves.

I'm not really surprised.
I find Mulgrew a wonderful actress.
She really was the right person to play Janeway.
She gave her heart & guts.
However personally, off camera I find Mulgrew very catty and I find that a disappointment because I used to like her more before I found out that aspect about her.

 

[Anwar]

Is this from the same Wang who accused Rick Berman of racism because he told Wang he had to take the same directing classes as everyone else first instead of just letting him direct?

 

[HoneyBLilly]

But I don't see Kate being a vindictive Taurus like I am

Lol, what?

I just have to bring up Garrett Wang's amazing, chaotic, long podcast interview with geekson.com where he basically tells everybody how much of a terrible person Kate Mulgrew is and that she made filming and working on set hell for everybody (specially Jeri Ryan). I think Mulgrew doesn't get nearly as much bad press as she deserves.

You can find the interview link here btw: Link
Be warned, it's like 2h long, and they discuss all kinds of stuff (like what it's like to become an actor) but it's the most open discussion I've ever heard about what Voyager and the Berman-Crew was like.

I've heard it, and Wang is a noted exaggerator.

I don't doubt that Kate was bitter that they brought in the blonde bombshell, but I highly doubt that she was that nasty.

Oh, and everyone else, even Jeri Ryan herself, has said Kate was great. This is the only one instance where someone says something bad about her, and it's Mr. Stuck-as-an-ensign-for-seven-years who never got any story line, I imagine he holds a bit of a grudge that everyone else, even Chakotay, got more of a story than him.

Robert Beltran even said in a podcast that he hasn't talked to Kate since just after the show ended and would love to get in touch again.

Yes, Kate has said that she isn't friend's with Jeri, but that doesn't mean she was this downright nasty.

 

[{ Emilia }]

Is this from the same Wang who accused Rick Berman of racism because he told Wang he had to take the same directing classes as everyone else first instead of just letting him direct?

It's from the same Wang who claims Berman never showed up on set unless there was some other media around to interview him.

 

[HoneyBLilly]

Is this from the same Wang who accused Rick Berman of racism because he told Wang he had to take the same directing classes as everyone else first instead of just letting him direct?

It's from the same Wang who claims Berman never showed up on set unless there was some other media around to interview him.

Because Berman's job was at the Paramount offices. He had two shows to "run."

It's more likely that Michael Piller, Jeri Taylor, Brannon Braga, and finally Kenneth Biller were down on set because they weren't the Paramount producer, that was Berman.

He had no need to be there constantly.

 

[{ Emilia }]

Because Berman's job was at the Paramount offices. He had two shows to "run."

It's more likely that Michael Piller, Jeri Taylor, Brannon Braga, and finally Kenneth Biller were down on set because they weren't the Paramount producer, that was Berman.

He had no need to be there constantly.

Agreed.
Not sure why you jumped to Berman's defense here.

I was just quoting Wang thus reinforcing your point that Wang was clearly very unhappy with many aspects of the show.

 

[HoneyBLilly]

I think Wang likes attention, and needs money, so he makes up stories because he isn't happy that he didn't become as big as he had hoped.

Maybe there's a basis of truth to some of them.

Like Jeri and Kate not being friend's. And Berman being stuck at the Paramount offices.

But to the degree he says?

Probably not.

It sounds like something that came out of a Soap Opera.

 

[Anwar]

Maybe if he wasn't such a charisma vacuum and put some damn effort into his job things would've been better for him. Heck, the writers themselves were going to sack him in "Scorpion" until some magazine had the crazy idea that he was attractive.

 

[lurok]

I don't doubt that Kate was bitter that they brought in the blonde bombshell, but I highly doubt that she was that nasty.

As a confessed Kes fan, I've read and seen a lot of the interviews and con appearances where KM talked about Jeri replacing her on the show. She clearly wasn't happy but sucked it up. I vaguely recall a couple of subtle barbs she threw Ryan's way, but nothing too bitchy. And I got impression she didn't think much of her acting talent. But I could be wrong

 

[{ Emilia }]

I think Mulgrew took her role very, very seriously and tried hard to create a non-cliche female captain of a starship. She was the first female captain in a Trek series (talking about main cast) and I understand that the introduction of a "sexy cliche character" like Seven pissed her off.

But that's hardly Jeri Ryan's fault so the bitching on set and behind the scenes is out of order and doesn't shed a positive light on Mulgrew's character.

To be fair they made some really good character-focused episodes that dealt with Seven instead of only showing off her body. So it wasn't even as bad as Mulgrew had feared.

 

[HoneyBLilly]

So Kate gets to be the bad guy because Garrett likes to tell tales that even have his fellow cast mates go "Huh?" and because she wasn't friends with a co-worker, is that really uncommon?

I wasn't friends with the Weather Girl at our station.

There's a nurse my husband works with that he can't stand.

 

[Shatnertage]

The most telling thing for me was on the Season 3 (or it might have been Season 4) DVD, when Kate was interviewed about Kes leaving.

She said something like, "Well, they decided that they needed to bring in another young actress" and did that dismissive hand wave she does at the same time. Even though she was saying nice stuff, you could tell she wasn't happy.

But, again, she's a professional, and she worked through it.

 

[{ Emilia }]

So Kate gets to be the bad guy because Garrett likes to tell tales that even have his fellow cast mates go "Huh?" and because she wasn't friends with a co-worker, is that really uncommon?

Ok, that's assuming Wang wasn't just exaggerating but plain making shit up.
Hard to say without having been there so we'd be both pretty much just guessing.

 

[HoneyBLilly]

So Kate gets to be the bad guy because Garrett likes to tell tales that even have his fellow cast mates go "Huh?" and because she wasn't friends with a co-worker, is that really uncommon?

Ok, that's assuming Wang wasn't just exaggerating but plain making shit up.
Hard to say without having been there so we'd be both pretty much just guessing.

The whole cast, except Garrett, has nothing but nice things to say about Kate.

Only this once does anyone ever say something negative.

So yeah, I believe Garrett was making things up to get attention. People do it all of the time.