Jennifer Lien In Legal Trouble Again

[Drone]

Not that I want to see her in jail at all, and I hope she bot gets the help she needs and it makes a difference to change her life for the better, but had Jennifer Lien been Jane Citizen and not a former celebrity, I doubt the that the state would be going this far to help her. So, she is lucky in that respect, and hopefully she takes advantage of this opportunity to turn her life around.

Yes a former celebrity, but no Dana Plato or Gary Coleman. In fact, her decline and change in physical appearance, both lent to the reality that from what I've read in the past, very few people in the communities that she lived in Tennessee were at all aware of her presence, let alone her former identity. This is someone who has fallen off the face of the earth and the consideration given her by the state seems to genuinely be a recognition of the gross seriousness of her ilness(es). Certainly some people with the same degree of dysfunction and deterioration don't get these chances she has been afforded, but is there any real compulsion for the authorities to be playing the name game in this circumstance, with an indigent person, who possesses nothing, and lives in squalor?

^ I agree with everything you say; but for the minor hint of special celebrity treatment. I've seen nothing here beyond the standard operating procedures oulined by the involved institutions on state websites; and repeated for countless other offenders every day.

The only real wiggle room here was in the police response for ramming the cruiser - and even then, police are mandated to use only the force necessary to control a situation. Ideally, every bullet is weighed against that condition, and you can see why cops would exhaust nonlethal options before lethal. I very much doubt they would factor in persona in their immediate response to a car ramming.

If there is any official celebrity favor being dealt here, it would seem to be limited to maintaining privacy of her status.

You are exactly on point here, Triskelion!!!! I would only suggest that unfortunately we've seen many examples in the past year or so, and innumerable ones throughout our history, where that measured calculation you reference, has not been hewed to, and more than just a few people, men and women, have met their end in circumstances that had far less kinetic dynamism than Lien directly expressed towards the police.

 

[Lynx]

When I found out about the incident with the domestic assault some years ago, I started quietly to research this whole thing and found some adresses where she had lived. Before Harriman, she lived in Hesperia CA in a place which looked like a real dump when viewed on Google Maps. So when I took a look at Harriman, it looked like a step upwards in the right direction. Obviously I was wrong.

Apparently her husband and son are still in California (definitely not in Hesperia) while her mother also seem to be living in Harriman.

Something must have gone terrible wrong since that interview on the startrek.com site in 2010 when she did seem to live a happy life.

No matter what, I hope that she can get her life in order again and that she gets the help she needs to do so.

 

[Triskelion]

FWIW Lynx, housing costs in Cali are outrageous compared to the midwest. 1000 a month in CA gets you an old shoebox, and a beautiful house in the flyovers.

 

[Lynx]

FWIW Lynx, housing costs in Cali are outrageous compared to the midwest. 1000 a month in CA gets you an old shoebox, and a beautiful house in the flyovers.

I'm not surprised.
Maybe moving to Harriman was an economical desicion as well.

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

You know, this is sad

Reminds me of the Grace Lee Whitney situation...

 

[Kemaiku]

I started quietly to research this whole thing and found some adresses where she had lived.

That's...incredibly creepy.

 

[Lynx]

That's...incredibly creepy.

Oh come on, if those Harriman incidents hadn't occurred, I wouldn't have bothered.

Now I just found it odd that she was reported to live in Harriman while the whole world thought that she was living a nice, domestic life in California so I wondered if it really was the same person involved. Then I just stumbled over those adresses.

Besides that, it's impossible for me to stalk because I live on the other side of the big ocean and if I go to the US, there are far more interesting places to see and visit than Hesperia or Harriman.

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

I'd stay away from Harriman

Its the place that killed Kirk

 

[Drone]

When I found out about the incident with the domestic assault some years ago, I started quietly to research this whole thing and found some adresses where she had lived. Before Harriman, she lived in Hesperia CA in a place which looked like a real dump when viewed on Google Maps. So when I took a look at Harriman, it looked like a step upwards in the right direction. Obviously I was wrong.

Apparently her husband and son are still in California (definitely not in Hesperia) while her mother also seem to be living in Harriman.

Something must have gone terrible wrong since that interview on the startrek.com site in 2010 when she did seem to live a happy life.

No matter what, I hope that she can get her life in order again and that she gets the help she needs to do so.

Hwang hasn't been her husband, well perhaps still in title only, for many, many years. Also to my knowledge, there's definitely another child, Sebastian, whose photo of being included in a newspaper shot of the family somewhere in Cali, I have been unfortunately been unable to locate in my archives or find again online. Help would be much appreciated!

I'm not surprised.
Maybe moving to Harriman was an economical desicion as well.

I really don't think so. What I think one can reasonably deduce, is that she went to Harriman to be looked after by her parents. Unfortunately that didn't end too well, which likely explains why no one was around that was willing to bail her out last year.

That's...incredibly creepy.

Not necessarily. If one is attempting to write a supportive note to her, it would be helpful and reconciling to know that it's actually being sent to the correct address. It would be rather disappointing to continually receive forwarding address unknowns affixed to returned correspondence.

 

[Lynx]

Not necessarily. If one is attempting to write a supportive note to her, it would be helpful and reconciling to know that it's actually being sent to the correct address. It would be rather disappointing to continually receive forwarding address unknowns affixed to returned correspondence.

Honestly, I didn't even think about that option either in this case.

Sometimes I just get into my "investigation mode" when somethings happen which might be of some interest to me. But in most cases, I keep my findings to myself and I don't force myself into other people's life either. I really dislike people who do so.

When it comes to the Kes/Jennifer Lien case, there was a time when I felt the need to have some first hand information because at that time I was debating with some really nasty people at the startrek.com forum and if something unpleasant turned up, it was an advantage to be the first one to know in order to be able to come up with an appropriate reply to those vultures. But that was a long time ago and I never dug deep enough to find something spectacular either.

Which might be a reason that I never have heard anything about another son.

 

[Drone]

Honestly, I didn't even think about that option either in this case.

Sometimes I just get into my "investigation mode" when somethings happen which might be of some interest to me. But in most cases, I keep my findings to myself and I don't force myself into other people's life either. I really dislike people who do so.

A good number of people expressed the impulse or sentiment early in the thread of wishing there was some way of helping Jennifer, especially in the sense of her remaining in jail with no apparent aid imminent in changing that condition. While I think most came to the conclusion that raising funds for that purpose, might not turn out to be the wisest course of action for someone who clearly needed immediate help, I don't see anything wrong in trying to help buoy her spirits by writing a supportive note. I don't think one has to receive a request from the recipient, to sympathetically act on such an impulse if it occurs. It is not an unequivocal choice to do so however, as I have long since come to the conclusion that Jennifer most likely doesn't like to be reminded of her past life's work, especially Voyager perhaps. So it is probably most sensitive, to simply hew to wishing her strength and fortitude in her travails, and hope that she will soon find a path to a satisfying life, without much specific reference to her past achievements, even if one has a keen appreciation of them. Any concern that such efforts are unduly intrusive, can be reconciled by the fact that it's not unlikely that, if they successfully make their way to her, they will remain unopened or thrown away. A response from Jennifer, validating one's acknowledgement will be rare.

In any case, I think the inclination to communicate compassion and caring for someone experiencing such troubles, should never be ignored or turned away from, unless there is a clearly compelling reason to do so.

 

[2takesfrakes]

As I understand it, Robert Picardo would sell photos of he and Jennifer Lien from Voyager at conventions and send her the proceeds, to help her squeak by. Contacting him, or another friend of Jennifer's like him and asking what show of support she might appreciate could be very helpful, especially if those people want to be contacted by the public.

Enough time has gone by now, where the worst of it's likely blown over. She might be somewhat closer to her "old self" these days, enough where hearing about fans looking for ways to show her love might not seem so absurd ... even embarrassing, or offensive. "The way to hell is paved with good intentions," they say, so one must be very careful not make a bad situation any worse.

 

[tomalak301]

Enough time has gone by now, where the worst of it's likely blown over. She might be somewhat closer to her "old self" these days, enough where hearing about fans looking for ways to show her love might not seem so absurd ... even embarrassing, or offensive. "The way to hell is paved with good intentions," they say, so one must be very careful not make a bad situation any worse.

I hope that is true. Really hate to find out something bad had happened to her, like Suicide, while there are people out there willing to support her.

 

[2takesfrakes]

I'm not completely familiar with Jennifer's troubled past, but I'm fairly certain that suicide has never been in her nature. By degrees, she's slipped into a Trailer Trash mindset and lifestyle, but that is all. The sort of incidents that have made the press with her seem to indicate this, aside from her impoverished state. But she had ambition enough to desire to be and actually become an actress in Hollywood, once in her life. That aspect of her personality, I'm sure, will help act as a compass in her life, once more. She just has to catch that thread, again ...

But for me, personally, I'd just be concerned that she'd worry about the press having hurt her chances at a better life. In that case, it might be beneficial for her to be aware that not everyone out there considers her a whackadoo to be wary of. It may serve as a crutch, so to speak, if those close to her could make her aware that she's still loved. And that, perhaps, her future hasn't been quite so compromised at it may have seemed in recent times ... but I wouldn't have ever expected her to do a desperate outrage to herself over it.

 

[Drone]

I tend to agree with you about her illness not being of the character that would've make her feel compelled to take a clearly self-destructive tack. One could reasonably claim that the incident of the police chase and damage that she did to their vehicles, might be interpreted as an attempt at suicide by cop. Much less deliberately provocative or dangerous behavior by others, has resulted in that eventuality. But we can hope that the intensive help, that presumably she has been receiving since her evaluative placement at the hospital in Chattanooga in October, has had such a salutary effect, that even the thought of engaging in such actions again, would no longer hold any lure for Jennifer.

As far as the possibility of a latent remnant of that ambition that drove her brief career, I think that long ago, I accepted that, whatever the loss so many might feel if Jennifer never returned to performing her art, I would be unambiguously satisfied by the knowledge that she could find stability and fulfillment in being productive in whatever realm that clearly gave her satisfaction and a sense of completeness. Perhaps that might be in service in others, as she spoke of so long ago in pursuing the course to becoming a nutritionist. Perhaps, in being a spokesperson for an organization that militates for greater help for individuals with mental illness. Whatever it might turn out to be, I simply wish for her to recognize and take ownership of the fact that she can lead an accomplished and meaningful life, that will no longer plagued by a series of inner demons, or the remnants of the ghosts of that distant life that she felt so utterly compelled to retreat from.

 

[Lynx]

As I understand it, Robert Picardo would sell photos of he and Jennifer Lien from Voyager at conventions and send her the proceeds, to help her squeak by. Contacting him, or another friend of Jennifer's like him and asking what show of support she might appreciate could be very helpful, especially if those people want to be contacted by the public.

Enough time has gone by now, where the worst of it's likely blown over. She might be somewhat closer to her "old self" these days, enough where hearing about fans looking for ways to show her love might not seem so absurd ... even embarrassing, or offensive. "The way to hell is paved with good intentions," they say, so one must be very careful not make a bad situation any worse.

Picardo do seem to be a great person!

Nice to see his initiative in this case.

As for "not making a bad situation worse", that has been my main reason for not sending a letter or something like that because it's difficult to write something encouraging to someone you really don't know.

 

[STEPhon IT]

I don't think any of the cast have spoken with her in at least 5 years. Even prior to her dropping off the convention circuit, their contact with her was very minimal. I remember asking Bob Picardo and Ethan Phillips about her in the mid-2000s, as both had photos pre-signed by her (and themselves) for sale, and the impression I got was they rarely spoke with her except for such things (and I think they did that to help her out financially; giving her the proceeds from such sales). I got the familiar "shy" line as well.

I feel so badly for her. She's not some sort of eccentric rich bad-boy celebrity out there cursing racial epitaphs like Mel Gibson who, for such racism at least, deserves some scorn for such. She doesn't deserve this sort of public spectacle as making the local news. I'm dreading this appearing on a site like Huffington post, who always does the "look at the former celebrity whose got arrested" type posts.

I feel dirty even talking about it here. Only solace is, at least we're empathetic and not "ooh, lookie".

It appears the blame should be solely on Jennifer Lien; she needs to face her demons on her own and accept her behavior was her fault, wrong and take accountability for it. I wish her luck.

 

[Drone]

Not exactly a sympathetic, knowledgeable, or enlightened attitude to the immersive and overpowering impact that a severe mental illness, as seems likely to be the case for Jennifer, can quickly and possessively take over the ability of the individual afflicted to view reality with any impression or substance that hews to the truth at all. This would especially be the case of someone suffering with schizoaffective disorder, perhaps combined with other diagnoses. I don't doubt that a number of attempts have been tried in the past to render assistance, to no apparent avail, given the evidence of the continued downward path of her living conditions. The reasons for such failures can be varied, as I can personally attest to by virtue of intimately knowing someone with the condition I mentioned above for over 30 years.

From your perspective, the old and hoary concept of essentially pulling herself up by her bootstraps seems to be appropriate, as if she needs further condemnation as being morally weak. Well, much appreciation to you for your massive display of compassion. On the other hand, you did wish her luck. Good on you and thanks a lot for the kindness.

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

I hope that once her judicial problems behind her, her friends and family will be there to show their support.
I wonder if her former colleagues of STV kept a contact with her since its departure of the series and if they continue to support her... I hope!

 

[Lynx]

I hope that once her judicial problems behind her, her friends and family will be there to show their support.
I wonder if her former colleagues of STV kept a contact with her since its departure of the series and if they continue to support her... I hope!

I really hope that too!