Janeway and Starfleet

[Summer Solstice]

Recently came across this dialog of Warhead

Which sounds outright bizarre, given that this is a late 5th season episode, when it was already quite clear Ensign Kim wouldn't go anywhere, rank-wise. Is Tom mocking him here?

Definitely.

As much as I prefer VOY to most other Trek series, I do know it has its flaws.
One of the biggest problems is the writers never iserting a few seconds of dialogue occasionally into episodes such as say: 'We've assembled team for creating new torpedoes and shuttles' for example.
Or, Janeway could have mentioned in one of her logs that when stopping in some star systems, the crew managed to collect solar power from local stars to power the replicators and create needed supplies in bulk (such as ration packs, spare parts, etc.)

We also know VOY was trading for various resources with other species, but initially in its journey, the crew mostly tried mining some resources from other star system (which was mentioned)... so it probably also salvaged any downed shuttles (at least those not blown to bits) off screen, and reconstruct them.

YMMV but I choose to assume that VOY salvaged as much of any downed shuttles as possible, especially early on when they didn't want to share technology. I also choose to assume that we didn't see much of Carey after season 1 because Janeway made him the head of the new long-term problem solving department, based on deck 14, which worked on issues such as rebuilding shuttles so they wouldn't run out and making sure they would have enough food. This department reported directly to Janeway but didn't send a representative to the senior staff meetings because those were usually about short-term problems.

As for Fury... that one was out of the blue indeed. I wouldn't say it 'destroyed' Kes' character entirely... but I agree it didn't do her any favours.
It may have been better if Kes appeared without memories and only a whisp of remembrance of VOY, and then the crew tried helping her to regain those memories and help send her back to the Ocampa so she could help them instead.

In fact, it would be interesting to see if Prodigy touches on the subject of what became of the Ocampa.
Thye probably could have developed their mental abilities with Kes assistance and managed to push themselves to a more advanced status as a species.

I love your idea for Fury and I would love to know what happened to the Ocampa. They only had enough supplies for 5 years but that's at least 2 generations of Ocampa.

One thing that didn't change were UFP principles and ideals. And I personally like that when you have such things to aspire and stay close to.

Me too.

Though, I do think that given the fact the Maqui were not trained officers, it stands to reason most of them served as crewmen on VOY with no rank to speak of (which is exactly what happened). Some may have been given commissions though based on their inclinations and Chakotay's recommendations... but I do think a lot of them would have been involved with developing hydroponics further, and maybe some tinkerers with computer systems and engineers.

I think sticking them into traditional SF roles may have been the wrong way to go... so I guess VOY could have tried doing things differently.
Let them still contribute, but in their own way while NOT having to conform to SF rules and regulations.

That I think was a missed opportunity.

After all, you will have people skilled with hydroponics/airponics, computers and in engineering who didn't join SF... so I think they would have worked on VOY in those fields and worked with the SF officers (some Maqui like Torres may have been given commissions).

But VOY crew would have been a mixture of civilians and SF in that case... like Galaxy class had families... but on a much smaller scale.

That's a really cool idea.

Yes. I resolve ten inconsistencies here with only snippets of dialogue: https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/how-to-resolve-6-voyager-inconsistencies-in-85-seconds.309089/

Thank you - good ideas. I've decided to pretend this actually happened.

 

[Oddish]

[it was already quite clear Ensign Kim wouldn't go anywhere, rank-wise. Is Tom mocking him here?]
Definitely

That didn't mean Harry truly believed that he would remain an ensign forever. If Voyager gets home, that command experience he's trying to pick up might allow him to skip a rank or two, or at least compensate for that black mark on his record.

YMMV but I choose to assume that VOY salvaged as much of any downed shuttles as possible, especially early on when they didn't want to share technology. I also choose to assume that we didn't see much of Carey after season 1 because Janeway made him the head of the new long-term problem solving department, based on deck 14, which worked on issues such as rebuilding shuttles so they wouldn't run out and making sure they would have enough food. This department reported directly to Janeway but didn't send a representative to the senior staff meetings because those were usually about short-term problems.

That actually makes a certain amount of sense. Maybe he was periodically present, they just didn't show those particular meetings.

Thank you - good ideas. I've decided to pretend this actually happened.

Glad I could be of service. Kind of sad how easily addressed those inconsistencies were.

 

[G. H. B. BRAEME]

It seems to me that Starfleet is for Kathryn Janeway, a "priesthood", with a family descending from a career military line, first, her father so, it's no wonder that when the time came, she chose to follow in her father's footsteps, as many young officiers having a parent working for Starfleet as officers. Rules and protocol were very familiar for her. from her childhood.
Without forgetting her father surely brought some of his colleagues at Janeway's house, where the young Kathryn listened them talking about their experiences .And even if she is a die-hard scientist, that didn't prevent her to follow the Starfleet Academy to lead a successful carrier we know, afterwards.
I think that Janeway trully believes that Starfleet taught her everything she needed to face difficult situations (this institution became her anchor point around which her private and professional lives turned) and become a great officer..

 

[Dee1891]

Why was Janeway so keen to follow starfleet regulations in the Delta quadrant even if it meant her crew going Hungry? I look forward to some replies.

Janeway and her role as captain has always been about adaptation to me. Being the lone Starfleet captain in the Delta Quadrant (before she knew about the Equinox) forced her to undergo phases in her role as a starship captain. During Seasons One and Two, she tried to adhere – perhaps a bit too strictly to Starfleet and Federation principles. This may have been fine, but it made her a bit narrow-minded in some ways.

After the events of "Basic", I believe she went to another extreme by being more flexible. Between Seasons Three and Four, I thought she was a bit too flexible at times and this led her to make some questionable choice - like trespassing through another species' territory without their consent in "The Swarm" and forming a very questionable alliance with the Borg in order to deal with Species 8472. I also noticed that during Season Five, she seemed to be in a state of chaos (and sometimes depression) . . . until Voyager's encounter with the U.S.S. Equinox by the end of Season Five. Let's just say that Janeway had reacted badly and perhaps too aggressively to the Equinox crew's actions and dangerously came close to compromising her moral compass.

But after adhering too closely to Starfleet principles in Seasons One and Two, veering a bit too far from those principles in Seasons Three and Four; and being in a state of chaos during Season Five; I believe Janeway had finally began to learn to balance the unusual aspects of her command during Seasons Six and Seven. In fact, during those two seasons, she seemed to be a combination of a military leader, a diplomat and head of state. She also learned to utilize flexible methods to deal with a situation without compromising herself or making any bad decision. By the end of the series, I believe that Janeway had developed beyond a mere starship captain.

Because Voyager was a show about goodies being wholesome and heroic. It was not Battlestar Galactica.

Huh. Personally, I have always regarded the Voyager crew as the least "wholesome" or "Starfleet" one in the entire franchise.

 

[Oddish]

Huh. Personally, I have always regarded the Voyager crew as the least "wholesome" or "Starfleet" one in the franchise.

They seemed very Starfleet to me.
Janeway: Bled Starfleet blue. Most of the time.
Chakotay: Even more Starfleet than Janeway.
Tuvok: Very Starfleet as well.
B'Elanna: Conflicted.
Neelix: Would have seemed perfectly at home in a Starfleet uniform.
Harry: Fresh out of Starfleet Academy. For seven seasons.
EMH: He was a physician first, an emerging person second, and not really a Starfleet officer.
Tom: The Starfleet equivalent of a Naval aviator. For what that's worth.
Kes/7: Not Starfleet at all.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Now I want someone to do a list of how Starfleet each of the Battlestar Galactica characters were to compare.

 

[Tango]

If you can't hold onto core principles in lean times, those principles aren't worth much.

That reminds me of something that I think Quark said about humans.

 

[Farscape One]

Probably what he was telling Nog in "THE SIEGE OF AR-558", about taking away their creature comforts and subjecting them to life and death over an extended period of time that they can be as vicious as the most bloodthirsty Klingon.

 

[G. H. B. BRAEME]

Hello guys,
In speaking about Janeway and Starfleet, look at what I found out :

Scale Janeway Figure

I LOVE IT !!!

 

[Oddish]

Phaser, compression rifle, tricorder, and coffee mug. Everything a good captain needs.

 

[Ragitsu]

Everything a good captain needs.

Picard: Fedora.
Sisko: Baseball.