It's official: Thank God for Remastered!

[Maurice]

The fact that you can actually see the polygons on the Klingon battlecruiser is pretty unacceptable. Ugh.

 

[Doug Otte]

I love them both. And with the magic of DVD and BlueRay, I can own them both.

Why do you need to own both the DVD and the Blu-ray? Both versions are on the Blu-ray.

Doug

 

[RAMA]

I'm not saying all the new FX are bad, but the guys doing it didn't make choices that would have made the new shots fit into the style of the show. When most of the new FX appear, it's as if we've switched to another program.

Bingo!

And I really don't buy the whole "they made it look a little cheesy intentionally to keep it in the spirit of the original series" argument. That's just a cover for "crappy CGI" because a lot of it is outstanding. Whether or not it's a good fit, some episodes look incredible, while others look cheesy. And there's a different kind of sharpness when you compare the enhanced live action and the CGI. The CGI is too sharp in many cases, with absolutely no film grain. Yet even the best live action will have film grain. This, above all else, is what reminds me that it's not an organic part of the episode.

The only time I prefer the Restored version is when the effects actually improve the story (like Tomorrow is Yesterday and, arguably, The Doomsday Machine). Most of the time, the old effects are good enough for me. But I like having the choice, cuz sometimes I'm in the mood for the new versions. But, no matter how bad the old effects can be, they will always look like they belong there. The new stuff always jumps out as new.

Its obvious...compare the movement, resolution, and simple style of ST:Enterprise to TOS-R and the difference is obvious.

RAMA

 

[RAMA]

I still find this a specious argument. The crappy state of the FX might turn off some people, but I think most people willing to sit through a program as antiquated in overall look as TOS are already willing to forgive a lot just because it IS a dinosaur.

There was a huge upsurge of interest in the remastered project..it revived TOS in syndication (where it was dead), created a resurgence of interest online(including reviving this forum which was also rather boring before it), and boosted DVD/bluray sales for paramount/CBS.

It also provided a way for a classic series (classic at its most basic means it can be watched and enjoyed--or even re-interpreted--by future generations repeatedly) to continue on indefinitely in the eyes of new technically savvy generations...it also says: "hey, the stories are pretty damn good, let's make it look better". Just the very fact its one of the first and only restoration projects tells me there is a lot of respect for the franchise. If anything the purists should be flattered, but instead, they are too delusional and closed-minded to notice.

 

[Chrisisall]

This:

http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x02hd/theenterpriseincidenthd0010.jpg

vs this:

http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x02hd/theenterpriseincidenthd0011d.jpg



Game, set, and match...TOS-R is the superior version!

Absolutely agree.

 

[Chrisisall]

The new stuff always jumps out as new.

Funny, to me the new stuff lets me get into the story MORE without having to WISH the FX were as good as the writing.
For the ultimate example: I hadn't watched The Doomsday Machine AT ALL since seeing it on WPIX TV in New York (that's DECADES) because I couldn't bear to have such a good story compromised by shots of that damn AMT model.
NOW it ROCKS!!!!
I own all three seasons for the first time ever!

 

[Chrisisall]

When most of the new FX appear, it's as if we've switched to another program.

LOL, umm.... no. Not on MY TV anyway. But then it's just a 720p showing standard DVD. I already see where Spock's ears were applied. I'd never watch it on a 1080 in Blu-Ray, so I'k kinda blessed by the lack of resolution, I conjure.

 

[Chrisisall]

There is no sense in which this is aesthetically preferable to this except as a fetish.

Yep.

 

[Forbin]

If anything the purists should be flattered, but instead, they are too delusional and closed-minded to notice.

Thanks, that's very understanding of you.

 

[A beaker full of death]

I couldn't bear to have such a good story compromised by shots of that damn AMT model.

The damage they did to that model was fucking brilliant!

 

[Chrisisall]

I couldn't bear to have such a good story compromised by shots of that damn AMT model.

The damage they did to that model was fucking brilliant!

Yeah, the nacelles were all uneven, just like when I made that model as a 10 year old.

The close-ups were not forgiving on the plastic, though.

 

[Maurice]

There was a huge upsurge of interest in the remastered project..it revived TOS in syndication (where it was dead), created a resurgence of interest online(including reviving this forum which was also rather boring before it), and boosted DVD/bluray sales for paramount/CBS.

Is there evidence of this "huge upsurge"? I'm not doubting you: I just haven't seen it. Most casual fans I know took no notice of the remasters at all. Most of the people I know who watched them or bought the discs were the hard-core fans.

 

[Chrisisall]

Is there evidence of this "huge upsurge"?

I can only offer my own story as input. I owned few eps on DVD (COTEOF, WALGMO) but jumped back into it in a big way because I saw the remastered ep Squire Of Gothos by chance at my Dad's house on cable. My Dad said it looked really better than he remembered.

 

[Harvey]

I can't say I've gathered a great deal of evidence, but I do know that since the remastered project was completed Star Trek re-entered syndication on network television in my area for the first time since DS9 went off the air.

 

[Chrisisall]

I can't say I've gathered a great deal of evidence, but I do know that since the remastered project was completed Star Trek re-entered syndication on network television in my area for the first time since DS9 went off the air.

Anecdotal, hardly conclusive, yet I would fully agree with this observation.

 

[Harvey]

Entirely anecdotal, thus the preface. But not entirely irrelevant.

 

[Chrisisall]

Agreed.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

I couldn't bear to have such a good story compromised by shots of that damn AMT model.

The damage they did to that model was fucking brilliant!

So I'm not the only one. Good.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

I can't say I've gathered a great deal of evidence, but I do know that since the remastered project was completed Star Trek re-entered syndication on network television in my area for the first time since DS9 went off the air.

Anecdotal, hardly conclusive, yet I would fully agree with this observation.

So would I, only to add that it pulled in such poor ratings that it was eventually booted form its hardly enviable Sunday morning slot to languish in the wee smalls before disappearing.

They had high hopes for it but I doubt they panned out.

 

[Chrisisall]

I couldn't bear to have such a good story compromised by shots of that damn AMT model.

The damage they did to that model was fucking brilliant!

So I'm not the only one. Good.

So two peeps like that freakin' AMT model burnt by matches in the back lot of Paramount.
Okay.