Is Toxic "Star Wars" Fandom Imploding?

[jaime]

It's why I liked TLJ so much. It wasn't trying to be the same Star Wars movie over and over. I was actually surprised at a blockbuster, rather than, "Ooo, cool, I saw exactly what I want to see!"

So, it ends with the battle on a snowy/salty world, contains a different old Jedi master being cranky, and has a whole different shady character hand some heroes over to the empire...and instead of ending on a cliffhanger featuring a robot hand, it starts on one. Add a slow chase scene and lightsaber battles with shock family revelations to taste.
It’s like gangster rap, it rhymes.

 

[Spot261]

So, it ends with the battle on a snowy/salty world, contains a different old Jedi master being cranky, and has a whole different shady character hand some heroes over to the empire...and instead of ending on a cliffhanger featuring a robot hand, it starts on one. Add a slow chase scene and lightsaber battles with shock family revelations to taste.
It’s like gangster rap, it rhymes.

Yet you were complaining how it breaks the mould?

 

[JD]

I'm confused as to what was supposed to be explained with Yoda's Force Ghost.

 

[Gov Kodos]

Let it go, life goes on, that kind of thing.

 

[fireproof78]

Then we have TLJ that one would not compare to Empire with a straight face.

You're right. I actually enjoy TLJ vs. just admiring the cinematic qualities and art direction of the film.

 

[Spot261]

Let it go, life goes on, that kind of thing.

When Luke finds himself in times of trouble,
Phantom Yoda comes to him,
Speaking words of wisdom,
Let it be....

 

[Professor Zoom]

Indeed the differences. I like to see what I want to see and what gives me satisfaction. I don't enjoy disappointment.

That’s it? That’s the range, either I want to see what I want to see or disappointment?

You don’t want to be surprised? Enchanted? You just want exactly what you were wanting?

Somehow, I’m not surprised. *disappointed*

 

[Refuge]

That’s it? That’s the range, either I want to see what I want to see or disappointment?

You don’t want to be surprised? Enchanted? You just want exactly what you were wanting?

Somehow, I’m not surprised. *disappointed*

I could go for enchanted. Beats disillusioned any day.

 

[Professor Zoom]

So, it ends with the battle on a snowy/salty world, contains a different old Jedi master being cranky, and has a whole different shady character hand some heroes over to the empire...and instead of ending on a cliffhanger featuring a robot hand, it starts on one. Add a slow chase scene and lightsaber battles with shock family revelations to taste.
It’s like gangster rap, it rhymes.

Yeah, because that thin description is exactly the movie.

*goes in search of the eye roll emoji*

 

[Professor Zoom]

I could go for enchanted. Beats disillusioned any day.

I loved how TLJ smashed illusions actually. Especially of who could be a hero. I thought it was refreshing.

 

[fireproof78]

I loved how TLJ smashed illusions actually. Especially of who could be a hero. I thought it was refreshing.

And continues on the Hero's Journey as a lowborn hero rising to greatness. That's fantastic.

 

[Refuge]

And continues on the Hero's Journey as a lowborn hero rising to greatness. That's fantastic.

I thought that legacy fantasy was more Force Awakes. TLJ had our new heroes showing their clay feet. It showed what the endgame of a young hero could be when he or she succumbs to failure. It was terribly sad to see.

 

[fireproof78]

I thought that legacy fantasy was more Force Awakes. TLJ had our new heroes showing their clay feet. It showed what the endgame of a young hero could be when he or she succumbs to failure. It was terribly sad to see.

It isn't whether they fail. It is how they respond to failure. That's the more interesting development for characters for me.

 

[Professor Zoom]

I thought that legacy fantasy was more Force Awakes. TLJ had our new heroes showing their clay feet. It showed what the endgame of a young hero could be when he or she succumbs to failure. It was terribly sad to see.

You are talking about Luke, yes? I thought his story and redemption was great.

Rey touched failure, but in the end succeeded in saving what is left of the Rebellion and is the light of new hope.

 

[mos6507]

I loved how TLJ smashed illusions actually. Especially of who could be a hero. I thought it was refreshing.

The everyone could be a hero idea was one of the few novel ideas that I liked. Most of the other "twists" didn't work for me outside of the thrill-factor of "I can't believe they just did X". After that thrill wears off you realize the film just sacrificed coherence in the process.

 

[Professor Zoom]

The everyone could be a hero idea was one of the few novel ideas that I liked. Most of the other "twists" didn't work for me outside of the thrill-factor of "I can't believe they just did X". After that thrill wears off you realize the film just sacrificed coherence in the process.

I don’t know if I totally agree, but I hear you.

 

[fireproof78]

The everyone could be a hero idea was one of the few novel ideas that I liked. Most of the other "twists" didn't work for me outside of the thrill-factor of "I can't believe they just did X". After that thrill wears off you realize the film just sacrificed coherence in the process.

I don't agree regarding the coherence problem but I can see that perspective.

 

[saddestmoon]

I love that we are still only at the second act of a three-act ‘play’...

It ain’t over till it’s over - and my lowly force-sense is telling me, the best is indeed yet-to-come, in terms of wrapping the sequel storyline up.

Looking forward to it!

 

[Mirror Tuvix]

they did the ‘wise old character sacrifices for the greater good’ already.

Death has become very meaningless in the new films....

But Han was much less so "sacrificing for the greater good" than Luke. Han went to rescue his son, at the behest of Leia. He might've had a hunch it might not end well, but I don't think he though "well, if I get slaughtered, it will provide some motivation for this strange Force girl." I also think Han's mentorship had its limits- the Force Awakens Han is also one who murders people he owes money to. I'm not sure how much more he could have taught Rey.

Whereas Luke freely accepted his death as a means to save the Resistance, inspire the moppets, and pull off the galaxy's greatest Force trick since the Miracle at Farpoint by the Trandoshan Biff the Younger.

I guess they could've spent more time acknowledging Han's death at the end of Force Awakens, but I think the characters have the pretty good excuse of being hunted guerrilla fighters in the middle of a war. The Vader pyre, Jinn funeral, and Amidala funeral are all carried out by characters who have the benefit of not being under siege.

 

[jaime]

Yet you were complaining how it breaks the mould?

Lol.
There’s two different at play isn’t there?
There’s the overall plot of the trilogy (which allegedly doesn’t exist) there’s the individual films/characters, and then there’s the action.
The characters are being badly treated, while much of the rest of the film deliberately recycles chunks of the OT. It’s like they are trying to hard to prevent similar criticism to that the PT got, by trying to stay extra close to the OT.
Episode IX will be interesting, I give it that.