I do think that they made money from it, in a "ticket sales" way, but I'm not entirely sure. Maybe it was actually a stage play and not a musical.Eh I wasn't about to use your words as damming evidence in some court case or something. I was just a little shocked because they used to be big on letting things like that slide so long as it couldn't be linked or confused with the real thing. I'm still not saying I disbelieve you. I know cub camps that have been shut down because they sold themselves to the kids in the cub packs as Harry Potter themed and thus received cease and desist letters from WB and visits from men in black suits to make sure said camps were called off. Bearing in mind this was local cub camps, not some money making, district, country or likewise wide camps.
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Same with the cub camp, it was shut down for legal reasons I think. Something about protecting the rights to the names. You let one get away with it and you open yourselves up to letting others doing the same and they might not be quite so innocent.
The info I can find on the interwebz says that the musical was produced as a stage performance by high school students in 1996 and ended up being shut down fairly quickly through a cease and desist letter from George Lucas himself. I'm not sure how accurate that is.
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I vaguely remember that happening years ago, but googling for it, I can't find that anymore. I probably misremembered, so, sorry about that
I don’t know.
They are more mouse than independent film and arts company now...
How will kylo REN rule the first order?
How will the ragtag scrappy not-rebels fight it?
How is any of this remotely different, because we literally trod water while we got The two big interesting things from the last film out of the way and did nothing else and introduced nothing new?
I know. The snark is strong in this one. But of all the things I enjoyed in TLJ, most of it wasn’t the story, and most of that story I hope JJ can do to Rian what Rian did to JJ and reverse a lot it. Particularly Rey’s stuff.
I'm not writing them off because they are "just like ESB." I'm accepting the fact that it is the middle of the story which means that not all has been revealed yet.
I guess, for me, it's the fact that I know the story is not over, and that there is far more to explore, rather than just sit down and be depressed like a Hobbit after watching Gandalf fall.
Yup, that's a lot of snark and not accurate to the film
I'm not writing them off because they are "just like ESB." I'm accepting the fact that it is the middle of the story which means that not all has been revealed yet.
I guess, for me, it's the fact that I know the story is not over, and that there is far more to explore, rather than just sit down and be depressed like a Hobbit after watching Gandalf fall.
Yup, that's a lot of snark and not accurate to the film
Really? It ended and began with a ragtag fleet on the run from the not-the-Empire. The only thing that really changed is that now Ren is in charge.
Luke was already a legend after all.
Nice salt planet though. Good fx. Liked Rose. Didn’t think much of the sub Rebels level hacker sidequest.
Story progression as far as the rest of the galaxy is concerned? Nil. Character progression...a tiny bit. No where near as much as ESB gave all the leads. Maybe there’s just too many characters vying for main in this one. ESB has an extremely tight focus. The big three, plus yoda and Lando introduces.
I don't know what to tell you. I found the character progression to be sufficient, as well as the fact that the First Order dominates the galaxy. The Resistance discovers that the financial underpinnings of both the First Order and the Resistance come, in part, from the same players. There is a lot more world building than those broad strokes or brief summations would allow.
But, that's just me, clearly
You mean they both got guns from the gun runners on Casino world? Like I don't remember much of that scene but I didn't get the impression that any of that will become important in the next movie. It felt like a commentary on people in real life making their fortunes of war and suffering, people outside the ideologies and beliefs. A commentary but not a plot point. But then personally you could say that about that entire sub-plot.
As for character progression. Others have pointed out that Poe went from gallant rebel officer to arrogant blow hard disobeying direct orders and costing god knows how many lives. I guess Finn and Rey have character progression.
Poe's maverick attitude was proven to be both an assets and a liability. Yes, I would call that character progression.
Yes, I think that the gunrunners could become important later on. Maybe not. But, that's ok. I took it as worldbuilding and enjoyed it.
I wrote a followup post discussing other reasons for slumping toy sales, including Last Jedi not being that "toyetic" of a film, and complaints from consumers about the toys themselves not being that great (subpar porgs, not enough new/ exotic figures etc.)
But the September release was a factor in hurting sales, as December had a rush of movie-themed toys from RAGNAROK! and Justice League (an underperforming movie but one that did move some merch).
Anyhow, I don't want to get too bogged down in toy discush- I was just responding to an ealier rant. I think, in general, the era of the action figure has passed- the kids I know like Legos, video games, and iPads (and I guess, going outside occasionally.)
What is the relevance of citing TLJ's 1.3 billion take? It points to better word-of-mouth than detractors suggest. You don't get to 1.3 billion with awful word-of-mouth. I'm not suggesting it had amazing word-of-mouth, either. It was enjoyed by general audiences, as the A CinemaScore indicates, and had some grumblings from hardcore fans (they were upset that Kylo smashed his awesome helmet at the beginning, I think).
What's the ceiling for a super-hyped movie, with a global audience, but with poor word-of-mouth? We have a good recent example of this- Batman v Superman, which got 870 million (and Marvel/DC has the advantage of being bigger in China than Star Wars).
What's the ceiling for a super-hyped movie, with a global audience, but with poor word-of-mouth? We have a good recent example of this- Batman v Superman, which got 870 million (and Marvel/DC has the advantage of being bigger in China than Star Wars).
We need to work out what the Star Wars effect is while it still exists tbh.
DC btw has problems in China since it peed them off with some stuff in the Nolan trilogy. It’s a sometimes difficult market.
I find most of the complaints about TLJ exaggerated. Re: "killing the past" - Luke croaks, just as Obi croaked and Yoda croaked before (and there's a parallel between Luke's and Obi's croaking). Luckily Luke imparted some wisdom to an apprentice- and good news! Rey has the Jedi texts. I'm sure she'll make some photocopies when she has a chance to catch her breath. So, disaster averted, I guess.
"But, Rey didn't get enough training!" Really? Do you really think TLJ would be improved by more training montages? Johnson made the choice to have the more dramatically compelling Force chats between Rey and Kylo, as opposed to Rey doing Jedi jumping jacks etc.
And, as I understand it, Luke's Jedi school being destroyed was also in George Lucas' sequel treatments...
"But, Rey didn't get enough training!" Really? Do you really think TLJ would be improved by more training montages? Johnson made the choice to have the more dramatically compelling Force chats between Rey and Kylo, as opposed to Rey doing Jedi jumping jacks etc.
And, as I understand it, Luke's Jedi school being destroyed was also in George Lucas' sequel treatments...
George’s sequel treatment is a mystery.
Luke being the Obi wan, and dying, makes sense..except we already did it with Han, and Obi wasn’t as defeated as Luke. That’s the two problems with it as I see it.
DC has multiple problems, but still more popular in China than Star Wars- Batman v Super did 95 mill USD there, while Last Jedi did 42.5 (111 in UK).
The Han death and the Luke death are pretty different tho, as Han's is just tragic while Luke's is purposeful.
Pablo Hidalgo of Lucasfilm has tweeted about Lucas' sequel plans, I should go back and find the Twit threads
https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/201...e-lucass-influence-on-the-sequel-trilogy.html
Hans Death served many purposes...it motivates Rey, sets up a chunk her enmity with Ren, and shows Ren as conflicted before choosing his path. It’s also basic Obi Wan. He literally sets Rey on her path, then dies to the Vader analogue just as she thought she was getting a mentor figure figure. There’s even a ‘No!’. That’s what I mean, they did the ‘wise old character sacrifices for the greater good’ already. Ren even thought it was for his greater good. His dad, living proof you can go into shady and come out on the side of the Angels, no link with the Jedi who have let him down in some way, stands in front of him and shows him love. Ren cuts him down because of the conflict in him, and is also the only bloody character who seems properly upset by the death, with the possible exception of Chewie. (Another bad call in these films. Obi Wan didn’t get a send off...there was escaping to do. But Han should have been mourned. Lucas always said that if you kill a character, you need to have a good reason, and you need to show the characters mourning. Luke even mourns Vader/Anakin.)
Killing off Luke is, quite literally, Overkill. And if it’s just so you can have a Force ghost dishing out advice, it gets silly. But then, we’ve still got blue Yoda wandering about now too. Death has become very meaningless in the new films...they don’t mourn it for the normal folk, beyond getting annoyed for a few minutes, and to the Jedi it’s something you get over in the morning, except for being a bit transparent. *shrug*
Still. It’s not as bad as all of that might make it seem, and I would go with it being a ...disappointment. More than anything else.
It came across as condescending , patronising and sexist. Sorry but there's no way around it. I've been close friends with @Awesome Possum for years and wouldn't dream of calling her "darling" the way you did, especially in a heated discussion where it starts to sound like a deliberate provocation.
As for how a mod is treating you though, I'm pretty sure no one's even threatened you with action? She glossed over it with far more grace than she really had to and as has been pointed out isn't a mod in here in either case.
EDIT: just saw the warning, my bad
No worries. But no. If people know me, I generally am open minded and not condescending or sexist. But I can't control how someone perceives a comment. In truth, its very hard to get context without actually speaking with someone. The visual ques and body language help us determine tone in conversation. I wonder how many crazy arguments on here have developed from perceived slights, or simple miscommunication. Anyhow, none of my posts are dead serious, I mean this is escapism and supposed to be fun. Whether bitching about the series, the ships, and art, or praising it. We should definitely as fans take ourselves less seriously. I mean, we are all United in the love of a series or subject. We may disagree, but we all became fans for a reason.