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Is that an..alien?

I think even though some aliens look alien there are precious few aliens in film and tv who actually act alien. I think John Carpenter's Thing is suitibly alien, and I always really loved the prophets in DS9, just the way their whole perceptions are different than ours.
 
Another common sci-fi cliche is an alien that doesn't look like a human, but it looks like it could be related to another animal that evolved on Earth, like the feline Kilrathi in Wing Commander.
or half the aliens from the new Doctor Who, honourable mention for the Judoon.
 
I think even though some aliens look alien there are precious few aliens in film and tv who actually act alien. I think John Carpenter's Thing is suitibly alien, and I always really loved the prophets in DS9, just the way their whole perceptions are different than ours.

And then...there are the Feringi!

Rob
 
Since we live on a planet with such diverse life as jellyfish and cute little bunnies and spiders and whales...I really don't want to even thing about how weird aliens may look!
 
Most of the aliens in Farscape would qualify. When it comes to the cinema, I'd nominate the creature from John Carpenter's version of The Thing.

ooooo..yeah. Thats a good one. And good point about FARSCAPE.

And on the flipside? What kept me from watching BAB-5 for so many years (though I did and loved it eventually) was Londo. He looked like Nepolian/Liberace combination. If they ever redo BAB-5? Centurians need a make over like the TOS klingons..

Rob

It's impossible to mistake a naked Centauri for a human. The problem is that broadcast TV standards don't allow full frontal. So we only see Londo's penises once in the entire series, when he uses them to cheat at cards.
 
The bar scene in Star Wars (Ep IV) was my earliest image of how different species might be. Also it was a marvellous nod to egalitarianism.
 
Beowulf's Children by Niven/Pournelle tackles the "reality" of living in an alien environment with alien life forms. And this is a world they admit bears a strong resemblance to Earth. Great reference to a writer trying to create "alien".
 
Most of the aliens in Farscape would qualify. When it comes to the cinema, I'd nominate the creature from John Carpenter's version of The Thing.

ooooo..yeah. Thats a good one. And good point about FARSCAPE.

And on the flipside? What kept me from watching BAB-5 for so many years (though I did and loved it eventually) was Londo. He looked like Nepolian/Liberace combination. If they ever redo BAB-5? Centurians need a make over like the TOS klingons..

Rob

It's impossible to mistake a naked Centauri for a human. The problem is that broadcast TV standards don't allow full frontal. So we only see Londo's penises once in the entire series, when he uses them to cheat at cards.

Umm..that was funny!!!

Rob
 
The more weird aliens, the better!!! It is a *GOOD* thing!

When those mechanical showed up at the beginning of Fifth Element, that was a jawdroppingly cool moment...

Both Fifth Element and Farscape are great examples of imaginative alien designs.
 
We have the Henson Company's creativity to thank for Farscape (same for Star Wars, if I'm not mistaken). Fifth Element is due to it being European ;).
 
The sapient, tool-using life does look remarkably like us.

Not all of it. There's a lot of evidence that elephants are sapient, and they're definitely tool-using. Dolphins are unquestionably sapient, and even they make limited use of tools.

We don't look the way we do because it's the ideal form for a tool-using sophont. We look the way we do because we're apes who happen to have specialized in brain power and tool use. Under different circumstances, it could've been elephants that ended up spawning a technological civilization. If mammals died out, a species of bird might eventually fill that niche, since many birds have highly sophisticated brains. ("Birdbrain" as an insult is just as backwards as the idiom "eat like a bird," considering that birds eat twice their own body weight daily.)
 
^That's actually rather interesting regarding elephant intelligence, as I'd forgotten about them. Elephants in and of themselves are not good candidates for advanced technological civilization, but I suppose something could arise on another planet elephantlike in its form. But it would have to change significantly. It would probably have to become smaller in order to form a dominant civilization--much of human success comes from its population's size and diversity--but six billion elephants of average size would far more overwhelm the capacity of the Earth than we puny humans could ever hope. If it became smaller, nerve cell density in its head, lower than in humans, would have to increase for the same number of connections and thus waste heat per cubic centimeter; its sweatless methods of cooling may no longer be adequate, just as our primate ancestors' lack of sweat glands became inadequate for us. And finally I have grave doubts about a trunk alone being able to perform the fine manipulations on which human society depends.

That said, you make a good point: something like a proboscidean culture exists, and could become more with some modifications. But I suspect those modifications would make them more human than less--a bifurcated trunk, sweat glands, smaller size, and ultimately somewhat more intelligence, particularly in symbol manipulation, than they have.

Regarding dolphins, their extremely basic tool use is very intriguing, and their language abilities well-documented. Is it time to buy more tuna?:devil:

Just kidding--as I was speaking of terrestrial and not marine life, I left cetaceans and cephalopods out of it. If we bring marine life into it, I would not be surprised if this planet or another has produced or eventually produced a sapient language and tool user similar to an octopus or cuttlefish. Unfortunately, it seems that their environment might preclude technology much more advanced than a anti-stonefish oven-mitt--but that might be rather close-minded of me. The dudes in the Abyss seemed to do alright.
 
IN Niven's "Footfall" the invading Aliens were basically evolved elephants. From another planet.
I think they invaded for our peanut crops.;)
 
Elephants in and of themselves are not good candidates for advanced technological civilization, but I suppose something could arise on another planet elephantlike in its form. But it would have to change significantly.
You're really, really not getting it.

Humans, elephants, dolphins, etc. aren't intelligent, tool-using species because of their body shape. That form of intelligence just happened to be one that came across to one of their ancestors and flourished as time went on. It could have been an emu, a zebra, a jellyfish, or those really weird creatures living in the deep abyss of our oceans.

Humans aren't intuitive to our environment. We only showed up a few thousand years ago. Considering the span of life and evolution on this planet, that's a bat of the eyelash. ANY of those creatures could have developed sophisticated intelligence and communication skills and become the planet's dominant, technology-using lifeform. We just happened to luck into that role.

And considering the pathetically slim chances humans had of evolving on this planet, why in God's name would you or anyone else assume all intelligent life in the universe would look exactly like us, have exactly the same culture as us (which is almost exclusively American/British for crying out loud; how absurd is that in REALITY let alone universal sci-fi!).

It's patently insane to assume that any other life -- intelligent or not -- in the universe would look even remotely like us, let alone exactly like us.
 
Elephants in and of themselves are not good candidates for advanced technological civilization, but I suppose something could arise on another planet elephantlike in its form. But it would have to change significantly.
You're really, really not getting it.

Humans, elephants, dolphins, etc. aren't intelligent, tool-using species because of their body shape. That form of intelligence just happened to be one that came across to one of their ancestors and flourished as time went on. It could have been an emu, a zebra, a jellyfish, or those really weird creatures living in the deep abyss of our oceans.

How does what I said, "an environment like ours," translate somehow to mean "a salt water aquatic habitat miles beneath the ocean"? I'm talking about terrestrial animals. And, even so, cnidarians aren't going to evolve intelligence anytime soon inasmuch as they don't even have brains.

Humans aren't intuitive to our environment.
Yet we mastered the Earth while other apes and elephants face ecological catastrophe. Why? Because we have the ability to understand and produce symbolic tools like language and to create and control physical tools like internal combustion engines. Both are absolutely integral to a civilization. Without fine control over symbolic tools, particularly writing, knowledge is totally individualized and cooperation ranges from difficult to impossible. Without fine control over physical tools we are left with little more than our own strength to face the dangers of the natural world.

We only showed up a few thousand years ago. Considering the span of life and evolution on this planet, that's a bat of the eyelash.

Homo sapiens is two hundred and fifty to four hundred thousand years old. The earliest hominids date back thirteen million years.

ANY of those creatures could have developed sophisticated intelligence and communication skills and become the planet's dominant, technology-using lifeform. We just happened to luck into that role.
Which ones? The ones that don't have central nervous systems, or the ones that have flippers with which to manipulate their environment?

How about a type of snake? A godlike intelligence in a boa constrictor's body? Does it become a dominant, technology-using lifeform?

Evolution isn't directed. In the individual case, it's random. But in the aggregrate, through sheer numbers evolution tends to produce results that are rather excellently adapted to survive in their environment. Going back to elephants, if a creature from the order proboscidea was the dominant life form on Earth--and the term would be used rather loosely--it would only be because humans never arose. It would be totally unable to rebuild its environment as humans have done.

And considering the pathetically slim chances humans had of evolving on this planet, why in God's name would you or anyone else assume all intelligent life in the universe would look exactly like us, have exactly the same culture as us (which is almost exclusively American/British for crying out loud; how absurd is that in REALITY let alone universal sci-fi!).

It's patently insane to assume that any other life -- intelligent or not -- in the universe would look even remotely like us, let alone exactly like us.
My argument is certainly not that aliens would look exactly human. But there would likely be some pretty important commonalities, besides the cognitive abilities, given roughly the same type of planet:

1)DNA basis for its genetic coding. DNA outcompeted other self-replicators on Earth to virtual extinction, there is no reason to believe it would not do so on an alien planet.
2)Oxygen-breathing and water based biochemistry. The reasons for these are obvious.
3)Child-rearing instinct with perhaps a slight prediliction toward placental mammalianism or similar function. There's a reason why invisible, language-using, manipulator-granted cuttlefish don't take over the surface world like Namor the Submariner. They don't give think of the children.
4)Social instincts, including empathy. See above.
5)Hands or similar fine manipulator appendages. Not much progress without these, regardless of intelligence. Elephants could be smarter than humans, but would still be stuck in zoos at our sufferance, without hands.
6)Similar but not identical range of senses. Alien life will not be able to see gamma rays or smell dark matter. At least two eyes for depth perception. I'll grant that 360 degree vision is hardly unlikely, however, and perhaps more likely.
7)A visual cortex that forms a three-dimensional world-map. This is obvious, but not universal among life on Earth, so I figured I'd mention it. With the above, this means that alien life would evolve to relate to the universe in basically the same way.
8)A method of producing sounds or sights that can form the basis of a language. The cuttlefish do have this, with their ability to change colors. This is a completely plausible method for alien communication and an oral language is not necessary, although it is far, far, far likelier for a life form that lives in a medium of air with a great many line-of-sight obstructions like a terrestrial environment would presumably be.
8)Hairlessness and sweat glands are likely, for reasons outlined in previous posts. Inability to regulate body temperature strikes me as somewhat unlikely.
9)A compact size. An advanced technological society would outstrip the resources of an Earth-like planet rapidly with life forms significantly larger than ourselves. Elephants eat iirc about 70kg of food a day (with more efficienct digestive systems they could do with less, more like 35kg). You think Americans are bad? Imagine the gasoline needed to transport 300 million elephants on their daily commutes. This sounds facetious, but underlying that is a good evolutionary reason to become smaller, as the smaller a life form is, assuming, as is the case with humans, that size is not related to strength viz. potential predators or prey, the less it needs to take from its environment and the more likely it is to survive. Yes, humans are bigger than they used to be but that's nutritional, not genetic.
10)Finally, related to the above, the alien will definitely have a mouth and an anus. I defy you to argue otherwise.

Now, this leaves a lot of ground open. It could have brightly colored plumage. It may--I reluctantly accept--might not be bipedal. But it will be pretty relatable.
 
How does what I said, "an environment like ours," translate somehow to mean "a salt water aquatic habitat miles beneath the ocean"? I'm talking about terrestrial animals. And, even so, cnidarians aren't going to evolve intelligence anytime soon inasmuch as they don't even have brains.
Again, missing the point. Whoosh!

How many species have evolved on our world in exactly the same environment as we did? How long have humans been a part of that environment? It took a massive celestial event and catacylsmic failure of that environment just to allow mammals (not just humans) to get a chance to dominate the planet. And how miniscule were those chances at all?

Humans clearly weren't the preferred biological form of this planet. We're not even worthy of a footnote in the annals of history up to this point. The width of an eyelash takes up more space than the entire span of our evolution does on the timeline. A timeline full of diverse and sometimes even unimaginable forms of life. And a species born from accident after accident after accident who, aside from the astronomical good fortune of just happening to figure out how to use tools and use sophisticated communication, managed to defeat all the unbelievable odds against them to dominate -- for a brief, brief moment of time -- the planet.

Yet you argue that's going to be the way it is on every single damn planet with a similar environment as this one. And worse, that it was this environment that created humanity and destined us to be intelligent, tool-using communicators.

It's ridiculous. If that were even close to true, we would have shown up way, way, way earlier in history and would have come to dominate the planet soon after life evolved at all. And every single species on this planet would resemble us in almost every way, because the environment demanded it.

Simply ridiculous.
 
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