Is SNW getting too goofy?

[Kamen Rider Blade]

You always seem to find yourself in the position of defending some of the worst aspects of the online world.

First it was defending the behavior of those who wished death upon Alex Kurtzman, just because he's made stuff some people didn't like. That apparently it's a perfectly normal and acceptable thing to do.

Now, we have you defending the objectification of women.

In a Online World of Supposed Free Speech, do you plan on censoring everything you don't like?

What's supposed to be a "Public Forum" free for all, do you plan on shutting down everything that doesn't agree to your tastes?

There are plenty of people who posts things I don't agree with, doesn't mean I go out of my way to censor them or shut them down or harass them.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

In a Online World of Supposed Free Speech, do you plan on censoring everything you don't like?

What's supposed to be a "Public Forum" free for all, do you plan on shutting down everything that doesn't agree to your tastes?

There are plenty of people who posts things I don't agree with, doesn't mean I go out of my way to censor them or shut them down or harass them.

One problem: HotRod isn’t censoring you. They’re stating their disapproval of what you’re saying. Freedom of speech doesn’t mean you say what you want without others getting to disagree with you. It means you say what you want, and others exercise their freedom of speech in agreeing or disagreeing, sometimes strongly, with what you said.
And if anyone is wondering, here, I am just another poster. The mod hat is off.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

One problem: HotRod isn’t censoring you. They’re stating their disapproval of what you’re saying. Freedom of speech doesn’t mean you say what you want without others getting to disagree with you. It means you say what you want, and others exercise their freedom of speech in agreeing or disagreeing, sometimes strongly, with what you said.
And if anyone is wondering, here, I am just another poster. The mod hat is off.

If that is the case, then do you want me to whine & complain about everything I disagree about their posts?
I can explain equal disapproval about plenty of things they've stated in the past that I just let slide & ignore.

Is this how you want things to go?

 

[Peach Wookiee]

If that is the case, then do you want me to whine & complain about everything I disagree about their posts?

Is this how you want things to go?

Is that supposed to be some sort of threat? And perhaps you need to look at the rules of posting in these forums.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Is that supposed to be some sort of threat? And perhaps you need to look at the rules of posting in these forums

It's not a threat, it's a statement of fact.

They've posted plenty of things in the past that I didn't agree with.

I never called them out on it due to courtesy towards them as posters.

If they want to call people out on every little thing, I can do things equally for all the things I disagreed with them in the past but never vocalized.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

It's not a threat, it's a statement of fact.

They've posted plenty of things in the past that I didn't agree with.

I never called them out on it due to courtesy towards them as posters.

If they want to call people out on every little thing, I can do things equally for all the things I disagreed with them in the past but never vocalized.

If you do so according to the rules of the board, you are welcome to disagree. But do check those rules. To characterize their disagreement as “whining and complaining” seems rather dismissive to me.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

If you do so according to the rules of the board, you are welcome to disagree. But do check those rules. To characterize their disagreement as “whining and complaining” seems rather dismissive to me.

If we were talking IRL instead of over a text message board, nobody would bat an eye.
The stuff we talk about IRL, nobody even blinks or cares when we speak normally.

Here, you folks seem to walk on egg shells over the most innocuous things that are basically daily conversation threads in person. That's what I'm more surprised at, especially given how more people should have a thicker hide given that they're older on average.

 

[Sci]

In a Online World of Supposed Free Speech, do you plan on censoring everything you don't like?

It is the nature of free speech that if you advocate for something others find morally objectionable, they will use their free speech to condemn it.

You have advocated for objectifying women and disrespecting their humanity. Others have and will continue to condemn that. If you don't like that, you can be mad about it.

 

[Set Harth]

Here's the thing: Star Wars was winning the Shittiest Hair competition. They were just walking away with the title. Star Trek snatching it away like that, you love to see it.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Here's the thing: Star Wars was winning the Shittiest Hair competition. They were just walking away with the title. Star Trek snatching it away like that, you love to see it.

Nah, rat tail Padawan will always win.

 

[fireproof78]

That's what I'm more surprised at, especially given how more people should have a thicker hide given that they're older on average.

Not everyone develops that. Just less willing to say it in person because it isn't worth it.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

It is the nature of free speech that if you advocate for something others find morally objectionable, they will use their free speech to condemn it.

You have advocated for objectifying women and disrespecting their humanity. Others have and will continue to condemn that. If you don't like that, you can be mad about it.

Talking about a actors look isn't objectifying them or dis-respecting them.

You're the one who makes that assertion based on your own morality.

People every day talk about actors looks all the time IRL, doesn't mean they're dis-respecting them.

You live in your own little bubble if you think people talk about looks is "Ojbectifying them or Disrespecting them".

 

[Peach Wookiee]

If we were talking IRL instead of over a text message board, nobody would bat an eye.
The stuff we talk about IRL, nobody even blinks or cares when we speak normally.

Here, you folks seem to walk on egg shells over the most innocuous things that are basically daily conversation threads in person. That's what I'm more surprised at, especially given how more people should have a thicker hide given that they're older on average.

Again, please read the board rules.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Again, please read the board rules.

Do you mean this Post?
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/read-me.314619/

 

[Sci]

If we were talking IRL instead of over a text message board, nobody would bat an eye.
The stuff we talk about IRL, nobody even blinks or cares when we speak normally.

Here, you folks seem to walk on egg shells over the most innocuous things that are basically daily conversation threads in person. That's what I'm more surprised at, especially given how more people should have a thicker hide given that they're older on average.

Let me be very clear: If you and I were in a room in person and you responded to an interview about grief and loss by talking about how you don't like her hair, I would have immediately confronted you for it, in person.

If you can't demonstrate the bare minimum of respect for one stranger's pain, who else's suffering will you ignore and disrespect?

Talking about a actors look isn't objectifying them or dis-respecting them.

Not per se, but it can be, and it was in the manner you did it. Context, as they say, is king.

It's not the fact you talked about her hair. It's the fact you implied she had an obligation to be pretty, and it's the fact you did it in response to an interview about grief.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

Do you mean this Post?
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/read-me.314619/

Yes, that’s one of them. If you find any of those provisions problematic, you should probably decide if this board is right for you.

Back to the subject, though. I find SNW remembers Trek’s roots. TOS and TAS had their share of delightfully silly moments, and I’m glad SNW embraces that.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Let me be very clear: If you and I were in a room in person and you responded to an interview about grief and loss by talking about how you don't like her hair, I would have immediately confronted you for it, in person.

But we're not in that room discussing that subject matter.
We're on a online forum discussing "SNW getting too goofy".
You just didn't like the fact that I sourced a pic from that interview where she talks about that issue.
Then you blew up on the fact that I picked that screen shot instead of one of many other images I could've found on google.
But you're fixated on that screen shot from that interview.

If you can't demonstrate the bare minimum of respect for one stranger's pain, who else's suffering will you ignore and disrespect?

I respect that fact that she's suffering and offer my condolences, but she isn't here, she isn't participating in this thread.
We're not discussing her personal life.
We're on a trek messageboard thread talking about "SNW being goofy".
We're not discussing her personal life in any way.
You're the one who even brought up her personal life.
Which isn't even relevant to this thread.

Not per se, but it can be, and it was in the manner you did it. Context, as they say, is king.

Context can also be misinterpreted or interpreted by your own lens / bias.
Which in this case, you have.

It's not the fact you talked about her hair. It's the fact you implied she had an obligation to be pretty, and it's the fact you did it in response to an interview about grief.

Every actor on a show has a obligation to be pretty. It's what Hollywood sells in their product, doesn't really matter if it's this show, or any other show. Go around the world, look at every countries equivalent of "Hollywood". It's how Hollywood and all big media companies make their $$$.
The fact a actor needs to be aesthetically pleasing is a common factor.
Doesn't really matter which gender or age or any other factor.
It's a common baseline in the business.

And the fact that it was a screen shot from that interview is what made you blow up instead of just any other pic I could randomly source is what set you off.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Back to the subject, though. I find SNW remembers Trek’s roots. TOS and TAS had their share of delightfully silly moments, and I’m glad SNW embraces that.

Trek being a variety show is what I remember most about Trek.

It's not one type of show, it's all types of shows.

It can do anything and everything under the son, I don't think there's a genre that Trek hasn't touched at some point in it's long career as a franchise.

 

[Sci]

But we're not in that room discussing that subject matter.

This is an incoherent response. You claim you're being treated more harshly than you would have been treated in person, someone replies by saying they would have treated you identically in person, and you retort by saying you're not talking in person? Absolute non sequitor.

Online or in-person, your behavior was objectionable and you're being treated the same way you would in either environment.

You just didn't like the fact that I sourced a pic from that interview where she talks about that issue.

You didn't just "source a picture" from the interview. You didn't just have a prior idea and then happen to take a piece of supporting evidence for your thesis from that interview. You actively responded to that particular interview by objectifying Navia. It was incredibly gross.

Every actor on a show has a obligation to be pretty.

Nope. Absolutely not. This assertion is another act of objectification and dehumanization from you.

 

[Noname Given]

In a Online World of Supposed Free Speech, do you plan on censoring everything you don't like?

What's supposed to be a "Public Forum" free for all, do you plan on shutting down everything that doesn't agree to your tastes?

There are plenty of people who posts things I don't agree with, doesn't mean I go out of my way to censor them or shut them down or harass them.

So far none of the Mods or Administrators have suspended you for anything you've posted over the last day or so; so no one here is interfering with your freedom of speech as you've been posting very freely.

You seem to have an issue with is people's responses to your post. In other words you seem upset and don't want them to be able to exercise their free speech.

You're the one who posted everything you have on a public Message Board where anyone with an account is free to respond as they see fit. And they have been.

So yeah move on and quit being a hypocrite.