Is SNW getting too goofy?
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In my even more informed opinion,* your statements, sir, are entirely mistaken in every regard.
*Come on, I mean, who can really say? This kind of self-credentialing is a pompous and empty exercise, isn't it?
At this point, I have complete confidence in everyone making this show. It'll be good.
Those Star Trek 'quips' aren't 'MARVEL' related at all - they go all the way back to the original STAR TREK 1966-69 series; and they are one of the many aspects of Star Trek: Strange New Worlds I love. YMMV
Always more of a Marx Bros. guy myself.
Although I also have a soft spot for Abbott & Costello and whatever Universal Monster they were meeting that week.
I can appreciate that. Definitely enjoy some Marx and Abbott and Costello.
I grinned ear to ear with that clip. Quite enjoyable for me, different from SNW but still fun.
Maybe another interesting question to ask is whether season 2 SNW lacks ambition as a sci fi show. If Pike has an arc this season then that would probably be him getting to open up to people. La'an's arc is pretty similar and involves her attraction to Kirk. Spock and Chapel are still stuck in the love triangle. If Erica and Una seem underwritten then, in the context of this show, it's because we don't know who they're sleeping with or even who they're interested in. SNW is possibly too character-driven at the expense of interesting sci fi concepts and exploration. How many strange new worlds have they actually visited in a meaningful way this season? Episode 4 had a really good sci fi concept imo and it seemed to get mixed reviews but that was much closer to the type of show I'd like SNW to actually be. Don't get me wrong, I like SNW, I like the characters, I like just hanging out with them on the ship, but part of me does sometimes think that if I wanted to watch a TV show about other people's love lives then I'd just watch Friends - or whatever the modern equivalents are.
Shock. Someone hating on Discovery.
BTW: I am a huge fan of SNW. I was just curious what you guys thought.
Those Star Trek 'quips' aren't 'MARVEL' related at all - they go all the way back to the original STAR TREK 1966-69 series; and they are one of the many aspects of Star Trek: Strange New Worlds I love. YMMV
Bingo. Good guys firing off quips and exchanging funny banter in tense situations was hardly invented by Marvel. It's been a staple of movies and TV since the dawn of the talkies at least. Just off the top of my head, look at Nick and Nora in the "Thin Man" movies, any number of witty Hitchcock thrillers, legions of wise-cracking movie detectives and reporters and soldiers and space travelers, Steed and Emma in the original "Avengers" tv series, James Bond, etc. etc.
Just the other night, I chuckled at this exchange in a vintage "Kolchak" episode from the 1970s:
"I don't understand. What's getting into people?"
"Claws and fangs, mostly."
Nowadays, would people insist that Kolchak was trying to sound like a Marvel movie?
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1. His job as first officer might be to liaise with the Fleet Captain.Guy must hate spending time aboard the Farragut!
2. He's only been off the Farragut once (aside from [1] when it blew up and [2] an alternate timeline).
3. We got SNW because an awesome version of Pike got dropped in our lap in DIS S2. And now, an awesome version of Kirk showed up. Maybe TPTB are learning from their successes.
Well, technically you’re quoting Chesterton; that passage is from his book Orthodoxy, which is sublime from beginning to end. Supremely funny while blowing your mind with insight on every page. Endlessly quotable.
Same, I get enough drama and tension in real life. I want some fun and optimism and light and color and likable characters and happy endings.No. Actually with the end of Season 1 and the beginning of Season 2 I was worried it might be getting too dark and gritty. Star Trek has been serious in various degrees over the years, but the more lighthearted the better. This is escapism fiction for me at it's finest, and as such has to be a shining beacon of optimism to distract me from the horrors of reality. It's why I never could get into DS9; it felt too close to home with its inherent darkness. But I digress. Strange New Worlds is a show I waited my entire 34 year long life to see, and it's my favorite Star Trek yet.
A joyous, excited wagon train to the stars.
No.
Nope. Go the clip and tell me how witty and refreshing that swaggering chatter is.
Well to be fair. Being serious and dark/ horrible are two different things....
Then there are different levels of comedy also.
I mean, I don't even know what this means. It's showing us some interesting, if familiar, sci-fi plots, and how these specific characters react to them. Star Trek always frames the scifi elements through a human lens, so if it comes back to being about the characters, their emotions, their experiences, their processes, then I'd say SNW is perfectly in line with TOS.
Yup. Been watching John Wayne with my grandmother. Guy enjoyed his quips just as much.
Although the "widower raising young son out on the wild frontier" aspect was reportedly inspired by "The Rifleman."
I'm not the OP, but I think there's a difference between shows that introduce a science fiction concept as a way to develop or better understand the characters, and one that is more interested in exploring the concept itself. I don't think one approach is better than another, and I think Star Trek can do both well (or sometimes, balance the two). But SNW seems to fall into the first category, with the sci-fi stuff taking a backseat or mostly serving as a springboard to character drama. So I understand the frustration if someone is looking for a "headier" show that focuses on more innovative science fiction ideas.
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