I think she has more than a few of those. I'm really surprised the ship hasn't mutinied.
Is Janeway a bad Captain?
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I think she has more than a few of those. I'm really surprised the ship hasn't mutinied.
I'm surprised at the lack of confrontation at times. If the lower decks are any indication, it looks like the only crewmen who love her are the senior staff and random engineering personnel who hang out in the mess hall. With 150 (the number keeps changing I can't keep track) people not all of them are buddies.
We the audience have the privilege of seeing Janeway as the senior staff can and then some since we are present where ever she is for the sake of story telling. Would that sway anyone to follow Janeway any less if you didn't get to see every aspect of her personality and train of thoughts? It's easy for us to say "I love this Captain!" But we are not on Deck 15 or scrubbing plasma conduits for punishments, hehe.
As much as I'd hate to admit, I probably wouldn't unless something made me see her in a light I haven t seen. Such as a holodeck gathering or one on one mission, unexpected moment where her mask is off,
and so forth. But as an audience as oppose to a lower deck crewman who doesn't know her, hell yeah I am with Janeway.
We the audience have the privilege of seeing Janeway as the senior staff can and then some since we are present where ever she is for the sake of story telling. Would that sway anyone to follow Janeway any less if you didn't get to see every aspect of her personality and train of thoughts? It's easy for us to say "I love this Captain!" But we are not on Deck 15 or scrubbing plasma conduits for punishments, hehe.
As much as I'd hate to admit, I probably wouldn't unless something made me see her in a light I haven t seen. Such as a holodeck gathering or one on one mission, unexpected moment where her mask is off,
and so forth. But as an audience as oppose to a lower deck crewman who doesn't know her, hell yeah I am with Janeway.
No worse than any of the others in Trek. I'd take Janeway or Kirk's recklessness over, say, Picard or Archer's belief that they should withhold help from pre-warp species.
Though not a complaint I had, personally (because Kate owned the part, there's no question about that), I suppose I'm one of those who fall into that category. I would've preferred that Janeway be played as someone younger, sexier - like an Alice Eve type, under 30 - rather than a Mother figure. As to the Topic at hand, I found Janeway to be on par with the other Captains. All of them, without exception, have made command decisions that make me wish I could've written for the show, instead. She was loved by her motley crew, she was comfortable in her leadership role and was played competently by a good actor. Janeway turned out alright.
She was just five years older than Shatner was when he first played Kirk. No complaints about that for him, though. Sexier? Women become crones and hags when they hit 30, now? There's no getting past women having not much use but to be seen as ready to breed for men, do they?
Tuvok should have been first officer.
I always thought so, but the creators shot themselves in the foot for that by making him a lieutenant from the beginning. If he'd been a lieutenant commander, there could have been more friction between him and Chakotay. As it was, any time he seriously questioned Chakotay's actions, it could be interpreted as insubordination. Chakotay never seemed shy about pulling rank on junior officers.
Exactly. If she'd done what we all knew had to be done we wouldn't have a series and she wouldn't be a hero but Galaxy's luckiest Captain to get her crew home saving a short life span race or not even that, but another stuffy captain in a dull relationship she's pretending to be happy with. That would be the dull ride home or series starter. Without someone or something to push Janeway's smarts and limits she was at risk of being a boring admiral one day like all the rest ever featured on next Gen. OK, that might be a stretch, but just a thought.
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Why is it that whenever someone has a criticism of Janeway its assumed by her fanbase that its becuase said person is sexist?
He suggested that some complaints were based in sexism. Are you suggesting that no complaints were due to sexism?
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Because there is a history of rampant sexism in science fiction and other franchises where young, adult males are more dominant.
No, its just that it seems an annoying amount of Janeway fans equate any dislike of Janeway what so ever with sexism even if her gender has f@#k all to do with the dislike usually whenever her death in the books was brought up.
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When it comes to a fandom like this one, though, it's a reasonable supposition to make.
I am partial to Janeway (as my screen name indicates), so take this as you will....
I liked Janeway because Mulgrew portrayed her in a way that was reasonable to me. Janeway felt responsible for her crew, to the point of mothering - and overmothering - them. They're stranded in the DQ; of course she feels that way. That overwhelming responsibility occasionally makes her do crazy things to protect them. Yeah, it's crazy, but to her, at the time, it's what has to be done.
Granted, a more consistent writing of Janeway post-season 3 would have helped a lot, but Mulgrew is a dynamo.
I liked Janeway because Mulgrew portrayed her in a way that was reasonable to me. Janeway felt responsible for her crew, to the point of mothering - and overmothering - them. They're stranded in the DQ; of course she feels that way. That overwhelming responsibility occasionally makes her do crazy things to protect them. Yeah, it's crazy, but to her, at the time, it's what has to be done.
Granted, a more consistent writing of Janeway post-season 3 would have helped a lot, but Mulgrew is a dynamo.
I have no problems with a female lead. Janeway though I find to be an insufferable self righteous know it all. Nothing against her personally, or her looks, or her gender. It's purely on the writers and the character they created. I would have preferred a Sarah Connor meets Laura Roslin kind of captain.
I would agree that the writers had problems marrying Janeway's femininity with her power. Other than Jeri Taylor there weren't a lot of women on the writing staff, no? It's almost like the only way they knew how to communicate to us that she was in fact female was to put her in motherly positions, or to have her act out Jane Austen novels. They thought that every time they showed her acting like a strong leader it was 'Male' so they had to balance it out with a holo-boyfriend or something.
The Star Trek audience was perfectly ready for a female Captain. The Voyager writing staff was not.
The Star Trek audience was perfectly ready for a female Captain. The Voyager writing staff was not.
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