Is Janeway a bad Captain?
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It's almost like you forgot they were lost!
No not altered, though I think she is just resting her finger(s) on the side of her head as she considers who next to write on the padd.
I am heartened but your immediate thoughts on that pic though!
Rings on her fingers, and bells on her toes.
If man went through a stage where they were he was firing moon sized Asteroids at each other... A lot of planets could have new moons or rings that they didn't before such conflicts took place.
The Romlan war ended with the battle of Cheron, which is an alt pronouci... Pluto found more moons recently.
Did the Romulans get boots on Pluto?
The Romlan war ended with the battle of Cheron, which is an alt pronouci... Pluto found more moons recently.
Did the Romulans get boots on Pluto?
Well, she did send Picard to deal with Shinzon. How many people get the opportunity to have multiple tete-a-tetes with their clone?
Yet, not a single one decided to stay in one of the Emerald Cities with Amelia Earhart. One would think that even at that early juncture, at least a few of the crew who were less than enamored with Janeway's Way would have opted out, especially on a planet with advanced inhabitants from Earth. Hmm.......
Suder knew that he was going to do something awful eventually.
Shit happens.
His ability to run, was either going to be into space away from Voyager with Just 150 people looking of him, or groundlocked with a global police force of thousands looking for him.
Shit happens.
His ability to run, was either going to be into space away from Voyager with Just 150 people looking of him, or groundlocked with a global police force of thousands looking for him.
She didn't view her responsibility as being entirely tied to the "getting the crew home" mantra. She had to balance that admittedly overriding duty with the unquestionably priceless opportunity to at least cursorily get a lay of the land in the DQ. I think if she did that without categorically and unquestionably placing that first goal at imminent risk, than she was fulfilling an obligation that any other command officer would have done if they had been in her shoes. Exploration is in their core, part of their DNA, even more so the totally unknown such as was spread out before Voyager.
This is the problem. Her acting was great and she acted in any role her character was terrible but it wasnt her character it was the beginning of the whole men are worthless, woman are right no matter what, so her character was terribly flawed.
Watch the series again no matter the circumstance the men cant do anything even fight so one of the woman have to fix the problem, she had a whole team of engineers try for hours to fix a problem or science lab or something but she is the only one who had the correct answer no matter the situation a whole team is trying to figure out the problem but she knows the formula where no one else can think of it. Every situation she was always right even if a couple episodes later it blows up in her face she somehow fixes it by the complete opposite action she had the first time and magically fixes itself the last few minutes of the show, making her the biggest hypocrite / bipolar person in the planet, one minute she is full of compassion about 70f9 then turns around and flogs her because she expresses how wrong she is on something. Almost every episode 70f9 destroys her logically, but refuses to listen then somehow despite the whole ship telling her she is wrong the will of the universe bends to her will every flipping episode. She even fixes the Q in a mere few seconds (really?)
She is a complete do as I say not as i do leader,
Watch the series again no matter the circumstance the men cant do anything even fight so one of the woman have to fix the problem, she had a whole team of engineers try for hours to fix a problem or science lab or something but she is the only one who had the correct answer no matter the situation a whole team is trying to figure out the problem but she knows the formula where no one else can think of it. Every situation she was always right even if a couple episodes later it blows up in her face she somehow fixes it by the complete opposite action she had the first time and magically fixes itself the last few minutes of the show, making her the biggest hypocrite / bipolar person in the planet, one minute she is full of compassion about 70f9 then turns around and flogs her because she expresses how wrong she is on something. Almost every episode 70f9 destroys her logically, but refuses to listen then somehow despite the whole ship telling her she is wrong the will of the universe bends to her will every flipping episode. She even fixes the Q in a mere few seconds (really?)
She is a complete do as I say not as i do leader,
Really? because she couldnt figure out how to place delayed timer and blow the thing up a few seconds after they left back to the alpha quadrant. or at the very end when she is an old woman couldnt go back even further to get them home.
But a few things did evolve from voyager, like the ships you see on nemesis. (now only if they would start of from their)
I don't understand the double standard-Sisko's actions throughout DS9 were far more sickening, grey, and sometimes downright terrible did Janeway mess up? But she quite balanced exploring the DQ with protecting her people.
Sisko:
Poisons a planet-now DS9 fans we'll say they evacuated-there's no guarantee all the maquis colonists escaped and in any event apparently poisoning whole worlds to get one guy is okay
In the Pale Moonlight-this I think is where I couldn't stand it any longer-"You see we all gonna die or be enslaved or worse if we so much as consider keeping our principals-good lord what a strawman
Punching Q-okay less serious but seriously stupid if Q were any of the other Qs they might you know have snapped their fingers and made them human race amoebas or something.
Among other things he acts like a lunatic half the time and did I forget to mention I can't stand the prophets storyline learning apparently a prophet possessed his mom so he could be emissary-so I guess humanity would survive the dominion war and I don't know and something and non-linear time and whatever. No I'm not an anti-religious or irreligious individual-in fact I'm a Christian. However seeing as that the prophets can be killed would totally discredit them as gods to any thinking individual. Come to think of it-they could have prevented the dominion war by simply killing them and letting the wormhole remain sealed.
Picard-moral paragon 98% of the time
Kirk-will do things that might not be laudable, his heart's in the right place most of the time
Archer-operated before the federation existed and the standards with it imposed. Made some questionable decisions and some bad ones all in all seemed like a swell guy.
Sisko:
Poisons a planet-now DS9 fans we'll say they evacuated-there's no guarantee all the maquis colonists escaped and in any event apparently poisoning whole worlds to get one guy is okay
In the Pale Moonlight-this I think is where I couldn't stand it any longer-"You see we all gonna die or be enslaved or worse if we so much as consider keeping our principals-good lord what a strawman
Punching Q-okay less serious but seriously stupid if Q were any of the other Qs they might you know have snapped their fingers and made them human race amoebas or something.
Among other things he acts like a lunatic half the time and did I forget to mention I can't stand the prophets storyline learning apparently a prophet possessed his mom so he could be emissary-so I guess humanity would survive the dominion war and I don't know and something and non-linear time and whatever. No I'm not an anti-religious or irreligious individual-in fact I'm a Christian. However seeing as that the prophets can be killed would totally discredit them as gods to any thinking individual. Come to think of it-they could have prevented the dominion war by simply killing them and letting the wormhole remain sealed.
Picard-moral paragon 98% of the time
Kirk-will do things that might not be laudable, his heart's in the right place most of the time
Archer-operated before the federation existed and the standards with it imposed. Made some questionable decisions and some bad ones all in all seemed like a swell guy.
Oh, I agree with you on sisko, was just keeping to the format of the thread. But yes Sisko was also a bad choice leader, but he was fighting a 5 way war (cardassians, maquies, kai, bajorans, and the dominion) and someone who hasnt even went through captains training did an somewhat okay job ( if you are a bajor is for bajorans type of guy) for a federation's captain no terrible. (didnt the first kai get him that post?) I thought the fist kai was him or no federation???? something to that effect (something in that line if i remember) so if wasnt for her then he wouldnt even have been a bridge officer.
Yes kirk and picard where meant for their assignment, went through years of training to get where they are
kirk was a hard ass (but was fighting the klingons) that is why he excelled in his position, picard had a rough start but was placed as flagship captain because of his diplomatic skills and he excelled in his position.
janeway was some sub-par captain and crew who was tasked for mission to go into the heart of the marquis territory, and command probably sent them to get out of the way while the fleet prepared for war.
I loved enterprise (I thought Archer did an outstanding job) and I love T'pol STAY AWAY FROM MY WOMAN
She was a bad Captain at times. That is on the writers, not on Mulgrew's performance which was generally very strong. I'd say who cares if she was a bad Captain? The point of the show was to be entertaining, not to show "perfect Captain Janeway". If some of her bad decisions led to more entertainment and drama then I am all for them.
Now if you want to call out the crew for not challenging some of her more questionable decisions in a stronger way that is completely fair and again that is down to inconsistent writing.
Now if you want to call out the crew for not challenging some of her more questionable decisions in a stronger way that is completely fair and again that is down to inconsistent writing.
That is true, but this is the Voyager board and a thread specifically about Janeway so it didn't seem worth going into that.
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