Is it worth watching Disc?

[Dar70]

Ent said it was due to an augment virus. The TMP bumps don't line up with TUC and the significant variations of phenotypes.

Plus, TMP had no explanation for decades.

Discovery may have been a change but it was as extreme as TMP from TOS. The explanation is a catch all band aid.

Bumps are bumps. TMP was the first to show them. But it's established onscreen that bumps are unique. Like hair color on humans. But sticking 2 extra nostrils and making their heads more elongated is a major physical change. Sure there was no explanation for a long time. We all know what Roddenberry intended. There was zero need for another redesign. Enterprise and DS9 offered a fun explanation. I was good with it.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Bumps are bumps. TMP was the first to show them. But it's established onscreen that bumps are unique. Like hair color on humans. But sticking 2 extra nostrils and making their heads more elongated is a major physical change. Sure there was no explanation for a long time. We all know what Roddenberry intended. There was zero need for another redesign. Enterprise and DS9 offered a fun explanation. I was good with it.

He intended for Klingons to look more alien. So, I'm thinking DISCO was more in line with his vision. He'd love it. Remember this was his Klingon, not Kruge.

 

[Dar70]

He intended for Klingons to look more alien. So, I'm thinking DISCO was more in line with his vision. He'd love it. Remember this was his Klingon, not Kruge.

Still looks closer to TMP to Berman Klingons

 

[Nerys Myk]

Still looks closer to TMP to Berman Klingons

Do you mean
"than to Berman Klingon???"
or
"and Berman Klingons?"

Point is Gene was aways pushing the Klingon design to look more alien.

 

[Dar70]

Do you mean
"than to Berman Klingon???"
or
"and Berman Klingons?"

Point is Gene was aways pushing the Klingon design to look more alien.

Haha. I had just woken up to take a pee and was still disoriented... ....but yeah ...and

 

[fireproof78]

We all know what Roddenberry intende

To be more alien.

Disco accomplished that in spades.

 

[Dar70]

To be more alien.

Disco accomplished that in spades.

I liked the TMP/Berman era better.

 

[fireproof78]

I liked the TMP/Berman era better.

And that's totally fair.

I personally like Discovery's except for how it limited the actors. The design language made the Klingons feel like a huge diverse world of different cultures rather than one.

It contributed to expanding the lore rather than repeating lore. It allowed for the more glory and expansionist Klingons of TOS to exist besides the honor barking TNG Klingons.

 

[The Wormhole]

I didn't know bitching about the TMP/TNG Klingons was banned for all that time. I just assumed people were generally won over by the new makeup, at least by the time Christopher Lloyd and Michael Dorn were wearing it, and the acknowledgement in Trials and Tribble-ations that the TOS Klingons existed too was a surprising and welcome bonus. We had a good thing and it just got better.

Then Disco came along and... well, I'm not allowed to bitch until November 2042.

It's a joke referencing a common defense used in arguments about the Disco Klingons. People complain about how "wrong" it was to change their appearance, other people respond with the fact that TMP changed the Klingons first, the complainers then retort "that got explained on Enterprise." If Enterprise's explanation twenty-five years and two months later is acceptable for excusing TMP's decision to change the Klingons, then those who take issue with the Disco Klingons owe it to themselves to wait until November 2024 before they even think about complaining about them.

Though really, I suspect many of those who complain about Disco changing the Klingons are people who began watching Trek with TNG and are weirded out by the fact that TOS Klingons looked different.

 

[Steve Roby]

Though really, I suspect many of those who complain about Disco changing the Klingons are people who began watching Trek with TNG and are weirded out by the fact that TOS Klingons looked different.

I often suspect that many of those who complain about anything in Star Trek are people who began watching Trek with TNG and think that TNG is what all Star Trek is supposed to be like, and TOS is supposed to be ignored. I've certainly encountered a lot of those people online over the last 30+ years.

 

[Dar70]

I often suspect that many of those who complain about anything in Star Trek are people who began watching Trek with TNG and think that TNG is what all Star Trek is supposed to be like, and TOS is supposed to be ignored. I've certainly encountered a lot of those people online over the last 30+ years.

Not really. TOS and TNG had a lot of connections. Sure production values were different but the TNG to ENT era did a good job of including TOS. There is plenty of good design choices/makeup and even some story elements in SNW and DISCO but there are just some plain bad/puzzling decisions with all of those elements as well.

It is what it is though. There is no turning back. I figure I got 29 total seasons of Star Trek that I really really enjoy. 3TOS/7TNG/7DS9/7VOY/4ENT and 1 season of Picard. Not to mention most of the TNG and TOS films. Not to say I didn't enjoy some of Disco and SNW because I DID and DO. But for me they have some major issues. They are not two shows I'm likely to rewatch very often. Life is getting short so I have to be selective in what I rewatch now...

Star Trek is getting really really long in the tooth and really should have had at least a 10-15 year break after Enterprise. But they continued to churn it out starting with the 2009 film. Star wars is going the same way now. I'm ready for something new but I doubt anything original or at least a good reboot will come up before I kick the bucket.

 

[fireproof78]

Not really. TOS and TNG had a lot of connections. Sure production values were different but the TNG to ENT era did a good job of including TOS. There is plenty of good design choices/makeup and even some story elements in SNW and DISCO but there are just some plain bad/puzzling decisions with all of those elements as well.

It is what it is though. There is no turning back. I figure I got 29 total seasons of Star Trek that I really really enjoy. 3TOS/7TNG/7DS9/7VOY/4ENT and 1 season of Picard. Not to mention most of the TNG and TOS films. Not to say I didn't enjoy some of Disco and SNW because I DID and DO. But for me they have some major issues. They are not two shows I'm likely to rewatch very often. Life is getting short so I have to be selective in what I rewatch now...

Star Trek is getting really really long in the tooth and really should have had at least a 10-15 year break after Enterprise. But they continued to churn it out starting with the 2009 film. Star wars is going the same way now. I'm ready for something new but I doubt anything original or at least a good reboot will come up before I kick the bucket.

Is anyone rewarding new or original?

 

[Dar70]

Is anyone rewarding new or original?

??? Not sure what you mean. But the last scifi new show that wasn't in the Star Trek or Star Wars universe and was a new franchise, that I thoroughly enjoyed (and still do) is Farscape. Not to say I haven't liked other stuff. I did like the new Lost in Space. But Farscape was something special. Wish they would do a reunion of that show.

 

[fireproof78]

??? Not sure what you mean. But the last scifi new show that wasn't in the Star Trek or Star Wars universe and was a new franchise, that I thoroughly enjoyed (and still do) is Farscape. Not to say I haven't liked other stuff. I did like the new Lost in Space. But Farscape was something special. Wish they would do a reunion of that show.

Is anyone paying to watch new and original?

Farscape is twenty years old. So that's hardly paying people money or indicating some new trend.

 

[Dar70]

Is anyone paying to watch new and original?

Farscape is twenty years old. So that's hardly paying people money or indicating some new trend.

Yeah I know. I'm just saying it was the last original scifi show I had gotten into.

 

[Steve Roby]

Not really. TOS and TNG had a lot of connections. Sure production values were different but the TNG to ENT era did a good job of including TOS.

I'm not talking about the people who made the show, I'm talking about fans. I was online for part of TNG's original run. Sure, there were a few old TOS farts who didn't like TNG, but most of them faded away. What didn't fade away were the fans who had no use for TOS and who hated DS9 because neither of them was TNG, the fans Berman ended up pandering to by abandoning almost everything unique about Voyager to make it cozier for the TNG fans, once he realized just how many Star Trek fans really don't want anything original and new. Those are the people Picard season three was made for.

 

[CRM-114]

You don't get that long to hook me. Hell, sometimes I'll drop out of a show, after 15 minutes.

I got about six episodes into Season One, then quit when it started feeling like a chore I was paying for the privilege to perform.

 

[Athena28]

Not so much. I watched it bc it was Trek. That's the only reason.

 

[JRoss]

I've been reluctant to watch Discovery since... well, since I was made aware of its existence. I've heard some pretty bad things about it, but I've also heard people only hate it because it's new. I've recently been considering giving it a try, though. Is it actually any good/worth watching?

I've been away from the forums for a bit. Honestly, it's not great. I wanted to LOVE it. But it just sort of whiffs on everything. Cast includes Doug Jones, Michelle Yeoh, Anthony Rapp, and Jason Isaacs, and they still can't get it done.

 

[Dee1891]

I thought Season One of "Discovery" was worth watching and more. Season Two? Uh . . . maybe. The rest of the series? Couldn't care less.