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Is it time to put Star Trek to rest?

The writers were preoccupied with answering the question, "How do we fill our order of 26 episodes?"



There is good and bad in every era (The 60s had hippies, the Summer of Love, the Watts Riots, and the Manson Family murders all within the same decade! :eek: )

There was violence even in the 60s. The violence in The Wild Bunch (1969) and Bonnie and Clyde (1967) was shocking for its day.
The 60s had more violence than that!

The assassinations - JFK, Robert Kennedy, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King.

Escalation of United States' role in Vietnam from writing checks, sending weapons, to training troops how to use them to doing the fighting with large numbers of our own troops, with ever-escalating hopeless increases in troop numbers needed.

The My Lai Massacre, in which we were not on the side of the good guys, and only one low-level officer was ever punished.

Political interference in the 1968 election.
 
Is it time to put Star Trek to rest?

No.

And I bet you could find people asking the same thing in 1987, 1993, 1995, possibly 1979 and 1982. Maybe not 1968 because they were trying too hard to keep Star Trek from being put to rest.

A Star Trek fan's worst fear: That Star Trek people will make total crap and it will be a hit. And then the fan has to put up with other fans who just don't GET. IT.

(See also: Menace, The Phantom.)
Gen Zers really gas up Phantom Menace too much. It's solid, but doesn't hold a candle to Empire or Return of the Jedi.

I agree with you Star Trek comment. Different eras have their own vibes and older fans aren't always on board. I think this era has some of the weakest seasons of Trek ever, Picard S2, and DIS had some ROUGH stretches (I still haven't watched S4 or 5 of DIS after how S3 ended) but that doesn't over shadow the different demo target shows and the variety we have gotten.

I think they made the right decision to dial down the level of Trek so as to not water the brand down. There was too much, and Kurtzman doesn't get why Star Trek has appealed to people for decades. Too many misses that have turned off too many old fans when they haven't brought in enough new fans.
 
As odd as this will sound on a BBS dedicated to an entertainment franchise I don't agree. Coping with life is about mental capability not just distraction.


Back on topic, if Trek takes a rest it will be fine.
People need "bread and circuses". The old Romans were right about that!

After a long, boring day in the Gray Universe with its crisis, conflicts and perhaps a boring job, it's actually nice to relax with some good Star Trek.

As for Star Trek, what it needs is a new TNG.

A new series with good, likeable characters, good stories and hope for the future, not some "dark" scenarios.

And no reboots please! I'm tired of see TOS characters being played by the "wrong actors".
No one can replace actors like Shatner, Nimoy and the others.
 
And no reboots please! I'm tired of see TOS characters being played by the "wrong actors".
No one can replace actors like Shatner, Nimoy and the others.
My brother in Sha-Ka-Ree, we are now on our SECOND reboot of TOS, Shatner and Nimoy were great but they've been gone a long time. And their replacements have lasted 3 movies (two of which set records) and their successors are filming their fifth season as we speak.

You cannot put the genie back in it's bottle.
 
And no reboots please! I'm tired of see TOS characters being played by the "wrong actors".
No one can replace actors like Shatner, Nimoy and the others.

Sure they can, and have done so successfully. Many people have enjoyed the performances from the Kelvin movies and SNW. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's wrong.

Now, I will agree that we don't need another TOS reboot. We're on our third set of Kirk/Spock now, and I think it's time Star Trek did something in a new era again. Perhaps the Lost Era.
 
As for Star Trek, what it needs is a new TNG.

A new series with good, likeable characters, good stories and hope for the future, not some "dark" scenarios.

Trek has always had its share of dark scenarios (The Best of Both Worlds, Conspiracy, Chain of Command, First Contact, etc.)

There can be no light without darkness. Without darkness, how can one know the light?

People aren't perfect. I've never been crazy about TNG's perfect people (I can't relate to them). I find them grating and insufferable. :scream:

And no reboots please! I'm tired of see TOS characters being played by the "wrong actors".
No one can replace actors like Shatner, Nimoy and the others.

It's been sixty years.

Reboots keep the show relevant for new generations. People want to see Star Trek characters who look like themselves.

No one is expecting any reboot to replace Shatner, Nimoy, and the others.
 
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I'm tired of see TOS characters being played by the "wrong actors".
No one can replace actors like Shatner, Nimoy and the others.

I will never understand this point of view.

It's like saying the first guy to play Juliet in 1597 is the only person who should ever play her.

How many actors have played Batman, or Superman, or James Bond over the years?

If it's great art/entertainment, it will be recast and reinterpreted many times.

That's normal.
 
I will never understand this point of view.

It's like saying the first guy to play Juliet in 1597 is the only person who should ever play her.

How many actors have played Batman, or Superman, or James Bond over the years?

If it's great art/entertainment, it will be recast and reinterpreted many times.

That's normal.

And not just that, as mentioned earlier in this topic, the attitude of 'I don't want it so they can't make it'.
The audacity some have to deny others something they might really want because they don't want it.
 
Sure they can, and have done so successfully. Many people have enjoyed the performances from the Kelvin movies and SNW. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's wrong.

Now, I will agree that we don't need another TOS reboot. We're on our third set of Kirk/Spock now, and I think it's time Star Trek did something in a new era again. Perhaps the Lost Era.

Honestly, the only real thing that would catch my attention where Trek is concerned, is to tear it down to the studs and start over.

I have no desire to try to cram more into past iterations. Their day came and went.
 
People need "bread and circuses". The old Romans were right about that!

After a long, boring day in the Gray Universe with its crisis, conflicts and perhaps a boring job, it's actually nice to relax with some good Star Trek.
It is nice but not a need.


new series with good, likeable characters, good stories and hope for the future, not some "dark" scenarios.
I'll never get this. The Star Trek i watched was full of dark scenarios, starting early on with McCoy having to kill a creature that looked like an old love, or Kirk having to kill his best friend, or watching with sad acceptance as a enemy combatant destroys his ship out of duty and can't really offer any consolation to the widowed bride. Those episodes were my first introduction to Star Trek.
 
I'll never get this. The Star Trek i watched was full of dark scenarios, starting early on with McCoy having to kill a creature that looked like an old love, or Kirk having to kill his best friend, or watching with sad acceptance as a enemy combatant destroys his ship out of duty and can't really offer any consolation to the widowed bride. Those episodes were my first introduction to Star Trek.

I don’t think some folks are talking about the original Star Trek when talking about the good old days.
 
I'll never get this. The Star Trek i watched was full of dark scenarios, starting early on with McCoy having to kill a creature that looked like an old love, or Kirk having to kill his best friend, or watching with sad acceptance as a enemy combatant destroys his ship out of duty and can't really offer any consolation to the widowed bride. Those episodes were my first introduction to Star Trek.
The Empath really messed me up as a little kid. That was some dark stuff.
 
But people needs good entertainment to cope with life.

As for entertainment and music, maybe you rather would prefer Vic Fontaine singing the old James darren hit "Goodbye Cruel World" (actuallly a quite funny song) with Kes and The Kestrels as backing song group and with Odo playing the occarina. :lol:
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My brother in Sha-Ka-Ree, we are now on our SECOND reboot of TOS, Shatner and Nimoy were great but they've been gone a long time. And their replacements have lasted 3 movies (two of which set records) and their successors are filming their fifth season as we speak.

You cannot put the genie back in it's bottle.
Maybe not, but I won't watch it. I'm tired of seeing those rebooted characters played by..........well, let's say "ators who aren't as good as the originals". Most of them don't even look like the original actors and characters, like that one who looked like my school buddy Thomas and not like Captain Kirk.

Not to mention that the stories are no good either.

Trek has always had its share of dark scenarios (The Best of Both Worlds, Conspiracy, Chain of Command, First Contact, etc.)

There can be no light without darkness. Without darkness, how can one know the light?

People aren't perfect. I've never been crazy about TNG's perfect people (I can't relate to them). I find them grating and insufferable. :scream:



It's been sixty years.

Reboots keep the show relevant for new generations. People want to see Star Trek characters who look like themselves.

No one is expecting any reboot to replace Shatner, Nimoy, and the others.
And therefore they shouldn't try to replace them either.

Why not come up with new ideas and new good characters instead of making a shambles of TOS while trying to suck the last possible profit out of if?

As for me, I'm not interested in seeing Star Trek characters who looks like me.

And I'm definitely not interested in seeing characters with no resemblance at all to the original actors and their characters.

As for dark scenarios in Star Trek, there have been many such scenarios.

But there have also been lighter episodes between those darker episodes, a good mixture.

What we have today is too much doom and gloom.

I will never understand this point of view.

It's like saying the first guy to play Juliet in 1597 is the only person who should ever play her.

How many actors have played Batman, or Superman, or James Bond over the years?

If it's great art/entertainment, it will be recast and reinterpreted many times.

That's normal.
You're exaggerating.

If you want to see actors with no resemblance to the original actors/characters, then it's up to you.
I won't!

And I'm tired of those reboots. Why drink third rate moonshine when you can buy excluseive whiskey and why go to a fifth-class restaurant when you can go to a five-star one with the best food available=the original TOS, TNG, DS9 and VOY.

And not just that, as mentioned earlier in this topic, the attitude of 'I don't want it so they can't make it'.
The audacity some have to deny others something they might really want because they don't want it.
Well, if you want third league ice hockey instead of first league ice hockey, then it's your choice.
And your loss!

"James Kirk is not an interesting character. I just like William Shatner."
:shrug:

It is nice but not a need.



I'll never get this. The Star Trek i watched was full of dark scenarios, starting early on with McCoy having to kill a creature that looked like an old love, or Kirk having to kill his best friend, or watching with sad acceptance as a enemy combatant destroys his ship out of duty and can't really offer any consolation to the widowed bride. Those episodes were my first introduction to Star Trek.
Yes, but hey were good stories played by good actors and it wasn't all about doom-and-gloom. There were lighter stories between them and also some humor even in more serious stories.

Look at DS9. It had everything!

You're absolutely wrong!
It's a masterpiece! :techman:
 
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