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Is it time to put Star Trek to rest?

So...we need to actually deal with our problems? Like adults?
Unfortunately it's diificult for common people to deal with the problems i'd mentioned. We are just pawns in the politicians games.
60s were depressive too. People need ways to process through it in their own way.
Obviously it was easier to do it back then.

I strongly disagree on comparison in entertainment.
Well, that's your opinion.

Having watched it and things do get better I'm going with my inaccurate assessment of "things don't get better."

It's absurd to just say "it never gets better." I could say that with Nemesis and First Contact as well as things with Enterprise ending with the potential of hope, not the outcome. The whole point of optimism is the belief that the sun continues on despite the darkness being present. If things are to become better people need to create it, not wait for entertainment to do it because entertainment is not the answer.
It would be absurd to continue to watch a show which I don't like.

You're right about your comment "if things are to become better people need to create it".
Unfortunately no one seem to want to do it, at least not now..
 
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But (general you) when you think you can critique something you haven't even seen, that's when it crosses the line to the absurd. Critiquing something requires an informed opinion. The only way someone's opinion can become sufficiently informed to compose a critique is to... wait for it... actually watch the show.

Drives me up a fucking wall. Don’t want to watch it? Fine. Don’t act like an expert on it.
 
Reading The Road left me in a depression for a week. I couldn't even get through Blood Meridian. I'll give Cormac McCarthy credit for being an outstanding writer, but I never want to read anything by him again. It's me. I can't take it.
I didn't finish The Road but I can't claim it was due to depression. It probably had something to do with having already seen the film long before coming into possession of the book. And for some unknown reason I was doing this weird ocd-like thing where I was only stopping on certain pages. I will say that his writing style is a little different!
 
Obviously it was easier to do it back then.
It was not.

You're right about your comment "if things are to become better people need to create it".
Unfortunately no one seem to want to do it, at least not now..
It starts with individuals like you and me trying to help out our little corner of the world.

Funny enough, stumbled upon a vintage ad that illustrates this point:
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I'm sorry, but I do find it silly. And if it's not supposed to be a parody, then it looks close to being that.

You’ve refused to watch anything except for clips and reviews. Watch the show! Or don’t! But it’s not fair to make judgment on something you HAVENT ACTUALLY WATCHED!

When I've watched about 4-5 episodes of a series, I know deep inside if it is worth to watching, if it has some promise to become good or if it's a hopeless case. It all depends of is the characters are likeable and the episodes are well written and exciting.

Modern TV has moved into more arc based storytelling. If you don’t like that, fine. Don’t watch. But watching 5 episodes of a series and saying you know how something is going to be when you’ve only watched 20-30 minutes of one episode.

That might be true. But when I look at the world today............... :shrug:

Yeah, things are dark in the world. I’m a liberal living in Texas. Believe me, I’m aware of that. But there are a lot of shows out there that I find joy in. And maybe with the exception of The Boys, I would not call any of them dystopian. Most people would agree with that.

But with excellent music and many good movies and series! :techman:
Today we have a lot of wars, social unrest amd media whic tries to create hysteria. But no good music, no good series and no good movies to ease our worried minds.

What that ultimately comes down to is personal taste. But making sweeping comments about there being no good entertainment is not only a sweeping, judgmental statement. It’s also not particularly fair to the good entertainment out there.

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So...we need to actually deal with our problems? Like adults?
I'm not sure modern media trends rerpesent people dealing with problems; "dark and gritty" culture is surely just the myopic outlook of what (American, upper-middle-class, etc) tastemakers have deemed currently fashionable. Not sure if that's what you mean though.

Either way, aspirational and even escapist media has a real role to play in public health, I think - the background mood of pop culture seeps through into everything, and modeling better worlds (or imagining worlds where people aren't held back by race/sex) can be hugely beneficial. Although I guess culture is so fragmented now that there isn't really a tangible background texture in the way there was in, like, 1999.
 
I'm not sure modern media trends rerpesent people dealing with problems; "dark and gritty" culture is surely just the myopic outlook of what (American, upper-middle-class, etc) tastemakers have deemed currently fashionable. Not sure if that's what you mean though.

Either way, aspirational and even escapist media has a real role to play in public health, I think - the background mood of pop culture seeps through into everything, and modeling better worlds (or imagining worlds where people aren't held back by race/sex) can be hugely beneficial. Although I guess culture is so fragmented now that there isn't really a tangible background texture in the way there was in, like, 1999.
I didn't say media was about dealing with problems. In fact I believe the opposite. That escapism has become so mainstream that people can't imagine dealing with their problems in real life.
 
I will now give my very in-depth views about climbing Mt Everest with a large group and why it's nothing more than a solivagant whack, speaking as someone who has never actually climbed or even wanted to be on top of, a mountain.
Hey, I read Into Thin Air five times. Think I'm ready to have a sherpa haul my butt up to the peak.

Damn my sleep apnea, full steam ahead.
 
i think I might just make shit up about SFA so people can tell me how awful that is and tell others, like that time in episode 5
that Captain Ake chain-smoked Russian cigarettes while sitting spread-eagled in the captain seat and told Mir that he could do better than Tarima, and Mir admitted yeah he was playing the long game with Genesis and then they got high listening to Riker's jazz trombone record because there's a record player on the Athena bridge, and the last five minutes are just a really creepy closeup on Sam trying various hot sauce flavors on tater tots while plotting to kill all the solids.
Might as well give them something to work on.
 
i think I might just make shit up about SFA so people can tell me how awful that is and tell others, like that time in episode 5
that Captain Ake chain-smoked Russian cigarettes while sitting spread-eagled in the captain seat and told Mir that he could do better than Tarima, and Mir admitted yeah he was playing the long game with Genesis and then they got high listening to Riker's jazz trombone record because there's a record player on the Athena bridge, and the last five minutes are just a really creepy closeup on Sam trying various hot sauce flavors on tater tots while plotting to kill all the solids.
Might as well give them something to work on.
That actually sounds good, SAM needs to partner with
EMH to kill all organics
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Indeed.

A dystopian society is an imagined, often futuristic world characterized by dehumanization, totalitarian control, environmental disaster, or other systemic oppression. It is the opposite of a utopia, designed to warn against current societal trends, such as mass surveillance, loss of individualism, or technological misuse

There is nothing about loss of technology, or the world falling to pieces. And it certainly NOT about darkly filmed movies or shows with more violence and swearing.
So, The Man in the High Castle in definitely a dystopia, as per the Salt Umpire (especially if you happen to be one of the Nazis' "inferior races").
 
i think I might just make shit up about SFA so people can tell me how awful that is and tell others, like that time in episode 5
that Captain Ake chain-smoked Russian cigarettes while sitting spread-eagled in the captain seat and told Mir that he could do better than Tarima, and Mir admitted yeah he was playing the long game with Genesis and then they got high listening to Riker's jazz trombone record because there's a record player on the Athena bridge, and the last five minutes are just a really creepy closeup on Sam trying various hot sauce flavors on tater tots while plotting to kill all the solids.
Might as well give them something to work on.
Where's your YouTube channel?
 
As an example; The Man In The High Castle is not a dystopia. The streets are in okay shape, the lights are still on. It's not a dystopia no matter how much you holler it. It's just that malevolent people are in charge.

Gonna disagree here. The world where the Nazis won WWII is most definitely dystopian, especially when compared with the definition provided by @Mage



A dystopian society is an imagined, often futuristic world characterized by dehumanization, totalitarian control, environmental disaster, or other systemic oppression. It is the opposite of a utopia, designed to warn against current societal trends, such as mass surveillance, loss of individualism, or technological misuse


High Castle depicts a world characterized by dehumanization (Jews, LGBT, people with infirmities are euthanized) totalitarian control and systematic oppression.

So, is Brave New World a dystopia?

No. I don't see dehumanization or systematic oppression. Could the government be described as totalitarian? Is the classification of people as Alphas, Betas, or Gammas dehumanizing (is a caste system like observed in historical India dehumanizing)? Are the people on the reservation dehumanized or oppressed?

You know, I wish to change my answer. Yes, it is dystopian. I'm fact, Wiki agrees.

Brave New World is a dystopian novel by English author Aldous Huxley, written in 1931, and published in 1932

There's a generation that can still get the creeps from being told "Fish! And Plankton! And Sea Greens! And Protein from the sea!" :)

Raises hand. 1976. Most likely the first sci-fi movie (definitely one of the first movies) I saw in the theater. I was 4. :rommie:


I must admit that I didn't know about that.
But right now at least the whole of Europe is screaming about a big war so what's the difference?

If you don't mind, I would like to ask your age. Your criticism strike me as someone who lived through the 60s, yet this comment indicates otherwise.

Fortunately I haven't watched more than that and it was enough for me to quit. Also note that i actually watched the whole first season of PIC because I desperately wanted it to be good.

But with excellent music and many good movies and series! :techman:
Today we have a lot of wars, social unrest amd media whic tries to create hysteria. But no good music, no good series and no good movies to ease our worried minds.

You know, there is most likely someone (many someones) who lived through the 60s that has made the exact same comments about entertainment then that you are in regards modern entertainment. Probably word for word.

Your opinion is your opinion, and that's valid. Just realize that taste varies and that someone hates those forms of 60s entertainment you are laudiing with the same intensity that you do this modern era.

I must admit that I don't feel welcome at all in an era where there are no good music, no good series, no good movies to watch and only a few good books to find.

Then for your own metal health, if nothing else, go watch something else. Stop watching YouTubes about what repulses you. If you can't stand the doom and gloom, then you can what are you doing?

Plus, offering critical commentary on a subject you intentionally avoid investing in (beyond clips) is highly illogical.

And I rather spit in the wind than bow for what I can't accept.

You don't have to do either, though. You don't have to watch any Star Trek created since 2009. If it's not for everyone. There are hundreds of hours of Trek you do enjoy as well as countless novels. There are also other series, other movies, other books from years gone by that may fill the void for you. I'm rewatching TOS BSG and Blake's 7. The Starlost is in my docket. Hate watching (even if it's just clips) isn't healthy. Do something other than spit in the wind.

Perhaps you are in mourning. The Trek you love is over. I can get to. hat. There is a lot i definitely do not enjoy in regards modern Trek, and I have 0 interest in rewatching the latest 3 movies (well, maybe Beyond). Maybe you watching clips then coming here to complain is your grieving process. The stages of grief are Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, and Acceptance. It's a journey and we all go through it at our own pace.

The times we live in also do not help. People are faint out of fear over world events. Those without hope struggle to make sense of the insanity. Modern media is a reflection of all this.

I wish you well. May you have peace and long life.

Live long and prosper.
 
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