Absolutely it can. It needs to put away its reliance on nostalgia, continuity and stop worrying about insulting its niche fanbase to do so. And like fireproof said, tell a good story too.
Is it time to put Star Trek to rest?
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Absolutely it can. It needs to put away its reliance on nostalgia, continuity and stop worrying about insulting its niche fanbase to do so. And like fireproof said, tell a good story too.
Step 1 to building a massive audience: alienate the current audience. How's that been working out for them?
I love SNW. But it is STEEPED in nostalgia. It’s not designed for the masses. It’s designed for die hard fans. Just because you and a few others don’t like it, doesn’t mean it’s not working for part of the current fanbase.
Yes - even the original did that from time to time...
I mean, let's consider that a "harder" version of Star Trek might resonate a bit better these days. There would still be some "Unobtanium" and "Handwavium" in there but, having it be internally consistent and feeling more grounded than the current stuff would probably help some.
Somewhere between the TOS/TNG feel with some aspects of The Expanse.
Stories that try to avoid the completely absurd (keeping in mind that it's still Sci Fi). Trying to keep it focused on the fact they are truly out there, beyond known space. Out of range of practical communications at times. Any humor needs to be natural, not forced. Kirk (or whoever is the lead) not being a literal horn dog in half the episodes - instead being an intelligent and focused leader.
Other characters seeming like actual professionals - not withstanding the occasional stress-induced lapse.
That kind of thing...
A common criticism of Ncuti Gatwa's term on Doctor Who was how much of the lore it ignored. Gatwa's the first ever Doctor to never face the Daleks and the third to never face the Cybermen, or fourth since David Tennant's second term is considered a different Doctor.
I hadn't heard this at all. There's a ton of lore his run, but a lot is from the classic run all the way back to the 60s.
It's true that he didn't fight off the classic monsters, but the lore dropping was off the charts.
I will frequently pull up the Doctor Who "channel" on Amazon Prime and look at the old episodes from the 60's through the 80's. I've never seen a single episode of the modern series. So I guess that gives you some insight into perhaps the lens I view Trek through as well.
Seems to me you want something completely different from Star Trek.
Bro, do you even Star Trek?(Magical injection that turns normal humans into Vulcans......)
He is literally describing TOS for the most part.....Seems to me you want something completely different from Star Trek.
No. He's not.
I am clearly just not the target market for the stuff they're making now. Which is fine. That doesn't mean I'm right and they're wrong. They don't have to target me.
I am still (barely) in the key demo, being 49 years old. But the product they are producing today just doesn't interest me.
I've given it a chance. I've watched episodes of Strange New Worlds. I watched all of Picard. I've watched episodes of Lower Decks. I saw two of the three Abramsverse films in the theater. I've seen some of Prodigy and Discovery, though admittedly not a full episode of either. So it's not like I'm just speaking blindly with no knowledge of the current product.
Problem is, virtually none of it has ever hooked me. I slogged through Picard because of my love for TNG. And it had its moments. As I've already stated, I loved season 3. That's about it, though, in terms of me getting interested. The rest of everything I mentioned? Absolutely none of it grabs my interest or makes me want to come back and watch it again. But, then again, I felt that way about Enterprise as well.
I've just accepted the fact that my Star Trek ended when Voyager went off the air, and my Star Trek is not likely to return. As long as they keep the old stuff on Paramount+ though, I'm content.
I am still (barely) in the key demo, being 49 years old. But the product they are producing today just doesn't interest me.
I've given it a chance. I've watched episodes of Strange New Worlds. I watched all of Picard. I've watched episodes of Lower Decks. I saw two of the three Abramsverse films in the theater. I've seen some of Prodigy and Discovery, though admittedly not a full episode of either. So it's not like I'm just speaking blindly with no knowledge of the current product.
Problem is, virtually none of it has ever hooked me. I slogged through Picard because of my love for TNG. And it had its moments. As I've already stated, I loved season 3. That's about it, though, in terms of me getting interested. The rest of everything I mentioned? Absolutely none of it grabs my interest or makes me want to come back and watch it again. But, then again, I felt that way about Enterprise as well.
I've just accepted the fact that my Star Trek ended when Voyager went off the air, and my Star Trek is not likely to return. As long as they keep the old stuff on Paramount+ though, I'm content.
We've been talking about the mainstream cultural impact of various Trek incarnations and then the YouTube algorithm pulls this up for me. I had never known this existed before.
I think it's interesting that the Tonight Show would do a sketch with DS9, which has always been seen as having less mainstream appeal than, say, TNG.
I think it's interesting that the Tonight Show would do a sketch with DS9, which has always been seen as having less mainstream appeal than, say, TNG.
Who is alienated? So far many here I daring to enjoy Star Trek.
I know, I know, it's invasion of the brain snatchers all over again.
Could you (or anybody) provide links to where this information is coming from? Thanks!
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