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Is it time to put Star Trek to rest?

Picard being a robot is funny as fuck, as is Worf becoming a "pacifist" and immediately (literally within ten seconds of his introduction) killing more people than he did in all of TNG.

But for handling for legacy characters, nothing comes close to Icheb's fate. It's astonishing. It's so bad that it loops around to being exquisite.

I really hope they get to make one more series and it's just every possible legacy Star Trek character being kicked so hard in the groin that it's fatal. No plot, just every possible character you can think of, from major ones like Kirk and Picard to oneshot characters like Matt Decker to the most minor characters imaginable, like the woman with no dialogue who sat next to Beata in "Angel One", all lined up in a room without explanation, and all receiving a lethal blow to the crotch. Even ones who have no crotches aren't spared. Armus and the Horta both getting kicked in wherever their genitals are.
 
Picard being a robot is funny as fuck, as is Worf becoming a "pacifist" and immediately (literally within ten seconds of his introduction) killing more people than he did in all of TNG.

But for handling for legacy characters, nothing comes close to Icheb's fate. It's astonishing. It's so bad that it loops around to being exquisite.

I really hope they get to make one more series and it's just every possible legacy Star Trek character being kicked so hard in the groin that it's fatal. No plot, just every possible character you can think of, from major ones like Kirk and Picard to oneshot characters like Matt Decker to the most minor characters imaginable, like the woman with no dialogue who sat next to Beata in "Angel One", all lined up in a room without explanation, and all receiving a lethal blow to the crotch. Even ones who have no crotches aren't spared. Armus and the Horta both getting kicked in wherever their genitals are.
I'm always going to suspect Icheb's fate is tied to the actor's saying 14-year old Anthony Rapp should have just hooked up with Kevin Spacey to further his career.
 
I disagree. I think it was needed, just not executed very well.
Agreed. I much prefer moving forward as writers dont have to worry about canon or continuity like with a prequel. Moving forward gives writers a fresher slate to work with.
 
And actually rude to point out three characters who are 50 times better than all characters in ENT, DSC, PIC and all series and movies after VOY together.
No Lynx, it's not rude at all. It's an opinion. It's different from yours. Remarkably, and someone in higher authority will no doubt correct me if I am wrong with amazing rapidity, this forum isn't about you or 90's c-lister obsessions.
 
But I actually take your comment as a compliment.
Don't.
As for NCIS, was it to little of doom and gloom in that one? Is this why it's "dull"?
It's dull because it's a network procedural, it's a paint by numbers network show that's filled with every old cliche they can cram into it.
As for VOY, the premise about a ship lost in space trying to find its way back to the federation was still there.
Was it? Seems like the obvious hardship that would come from being a lone ship trying to make it home was immediately abandoned for "anomaly of the week" type episodes. It tried so very hard to be The Next Generation, it forgot to try and be itself.
And, want it or not, it's getting one after SNW and SFA.
Says who?
As for series like ENT and DSC, it was more about some aspects I didn't like, like boring characters, bad storytelling and the Klingon Mutant Ninja Turtles.
For the life of me, I'll never understanding how a Voyager fan can look at the characters of Enterprise, or even Discovery, and call them boring.
And actually rude to point out three characters who are 50 times better than all characters in ENT, DSC, PIC and all series and movies after VOY together.
In your opinion. In my opinion, those three characters are about the most bland and boring characters in the entire franchise, with Chakotay only being saved by a great performance in Prodigy.
 
The whistleblower is always the one they throw the stones at.........until the day when they wake up and see that the whistleblower was right.

A whistleblower is someone who alerts authorities or superiors to wrongdoing, such as conduct in gross violation of company rules or such as actual crimes, often putting their career, life goals, and possibly even their very life in jeopardy.

Who's the whistleblower, here? You? What's the crime? Or are we being grandiose and laying it on really thick?
 
The PRO writers, unlike Berman and Braga, actually wanted us to care about Chakotay.

This is a point that deserves to be raised in the how-to-make-human-characters-interesting thread.

This should be the go-to goal that writers have for every character. Characters should not just check boxes and occupy space in episodes. If there's no reason to be interested in the character, they are superfluous, it's better not to have them and to focus on those that matter.

Sure, we kinda had that when TNG imploded into the Picard/Worf/Data adventure hour and VOY became the J/7 show, but the corollary was that the so-called interesting characters were surrounded by bumps on the log. That's weakness, not a recipe for success.
 
I must say that I find newer Trek too much adapting to that trend.
Except it hasn't. The destruction of planets is limited to major cinematic events. The optimism persists.

have to disagree with your disagreement. You can possibly mean that a minor firefight in NCIS is worse than the destruction of two planets and a sadistic torture scen?
How about the constant terrorist threat, a main character taking a bullet to the head, another having to kill their brother,or Gibbs haunted by a shadow of Revenge? That's extremely gloomy.

The difference is that I care about the characters. Otherwise that's extremely gloomy to face constant death.
 
It is the second best streaming Trek, and the third place finisher isn't really that close.
 
I think they missed the perfect opportunity to recast a Young Picard who would take over the role, but Synth Picard is as much Picard as the Harry Kim who ended Voyager was the same guy who began the journey.
I've always seen the Duplicate Harry as a stupid thing to come up with, in fact another act from Berman and his gang to make poor Harry look stupid.

Picard was even worse. It was .......... disgusting! Talk about character destruction!
Picard being a robot is funny as fuck, as is Worf becoming a "pacifist" and immediately (literally within ten seconds of his introduction) killing more people than he did in all of TNG.

But for handling for legacy characters, nothing comes close to Icheb's fate. It's astonishing. It's so bad that it loops around to being exquisite.

I really hope they get to make one more series and it's just every possible legacy Star Trek character being kicked so hard in the groin that it's fatal. No plot, just every possible character you can think of, from major ones like Kirk and Picard to oneshot characters like Matt Decker to the most minor characters imaginable, like the woman with no dialogue who sat next to Beata in "Angel One", all lined up in a room without explanation, and all receiving a lethal blow to the crotch. Even ones who have no crotches aren't spared. Armus and the Horta both getting kicked in wherever their genitals are.
The destruction of Kes in that episode and the destruction of Garak in the book Second Self was ten time worse.

And I didn't like how a great character like Gowron was treated either in the episode Dogs Of War. First they made him look like a fool and then they killed him of, the best Klingon ever in Star Trek.
Disgusting!

And one of the few things I didn't like in DS9!

As for a new series, I want a totally new crew and a likeable one in a series with good storytelling, no recasted characters.
I disagree. I think it was needed, just not executed very well.
No, i see it as a mistake. A stupid mistake.
No Lynx, it's not rude at all. It's an opinion. It's different from yours. Remarkably, and someone in higher authority will no doubt correct me if I am wrong with amazing rapidity, this forum isn't about you or 90's c-lister obsessions.
I'm sick and tired of the constant slurs against Kes in each and every thread I'm posting in.

And I have all right in the world to defend the character when that happens.
It also includes other good characters I like, for example Garak, Gowron and Quark.
No, it's not rude.

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Oh yes, it is and I'm getting tired of the attacks on Kes in each and every thread I'm posting in.
I mean, I can't even discuss the weather or the latest sports events until someone comes up with some slur against Kes.

Why not?

It's dull because it's a network procedural, it's a paint by numbers network show that's filled with every old cliche they can cram into it.
What's wrong with "network procedurals"?

I find most of these "network procedurals" much better tjhan today's streaming adapted crap.

And I prefer cliches instead of doom and gloom, character destruction, blod-splattering and torture scenes.
Was it? Seems like the obvious hardship that would come from being a lone ship trying to make it home was immediately abandoned for "anomaly of the week" type episodes. It tried so very hard to be The Next Generation, it forgot to try and be itself.
I can agree that some of the premise for the show was abandoned.
But it still managed quite fine until season 4 when it became a three-character show.

For the life of me, I'll never understanding how a Voyager fan can look at the characters of Enterprise, or even Discovery, and call them boring.
VOY had great characters, unfortunately some of them were used badly. ENT was dull and had dull characters, maybe except of Trip Tucker.

In your opinion. In my opinion, those three characters are about the most bland and boring characters in the entire franchise, with Chakotay only being saved by a great performance in Prodigy.
I see nothing bland and boring with these characters. OK, Harry was badly handled by those in charge but Kes and Chakotay were great.

It really is remarkable what Beltran could do with the character, given a fair chance.
Yes, with good writers!

A whistleblower is someone who alerts authorities or superiors to wrongdoing, such as conduct in gross violation of company rules or such as actual crimes, often putting their career, life goals, and possibly even their very life in jeopardy.

Who's the whistleblower, here? You? What's the crime? Or are we being grandiose and laying it on really thick?
Your description of a whistleblower suits me actually fine in this case.
"Gross violation" of company rules could easily be changed to "misuse of a good idea" when it comes to Star Trek.

The PRO writers, unlike Berman and Braga, actually wanted us to care about Chakotay.
And they actually did a good job.
I just wish that they had brought Kes back in a decent way too.

Anyway, I know I've been a bit pessimistic in my previous post before this one today and I apologize to those who have read it.

But I'm pessimistic because I've had a pessimistic day even in the Gray Universe and the forsaken part of it where I live so I'm in a pessimistic mode and wish that someone would play something pessimistic for me.

Even more sad is that I'm starting to realize that it's no longer a matter about if I will abandon Star Trek but about when I will do it.

The sad thing is that it's nowhere to go.

When I finally abandoned VOY back in 2001 after being insulted by the worst episode ever made, there were always other interesting things to keep an eye on.

There were still hope for a new better Star Trek show and there were the Star Trek books whic at that time had some really intersting, readable stuff.

There were also Stargate SG-1, Stargate Atlantis, CSI. Then came NCIS and the CSI spinoffs. Plus some other series and shows here and there.

The situation is worse today because I find it very hard to find something to like and enjoy.

So Star trek will leave a big empty hole if or when I decide to abandon it.

Fortunately I still have TOS, TNG, DS9 and early VOY to watch and the good Star trek books to read! :techman:
 
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I'm sick and tired of the constant slurs against Kes in each and every thread I'm posting in.

And I have all right in the world to defend the character when that happens.
It also includes other good characters i like, for example Garak, Gowron and Quark.
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I didn't mention Garak, Gowron and Quark. They're not as boring as watching paint dry. Chakotay (on VOY), Kim and Kes are, in my opinion. You're opinion is different. Fantastic. This has nothing to do with you and your uh crush. And frankly we should be able to discuss VOY without your gatekeeping and turning every discussion about it into the Lynx Show.
 
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