Ouch... But hard to disagree.
Is Chapel been written worse than TOS? (episode 5 spoilers)
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Ouch... But hard to disagree.
I was drawing a parallel between two characters whose obnoxious qualities were played for laughs; few talents can stand up to Parsons. The way he brushed his hair back with his left hand when he intended to seduce Penny lives in my brain forever.
Barrett acted both those roles as they were written, and Chapel was a terrible role in TOS. All the women I can think of were, really. They were mostly doe-eyed damsels or vicious sexpots. I don’t know that Chapel would have been improved no matter who was put in the role at the time.
Yeah, about that - when she was on the original Star Trek (1966-69) Gene Roddenberry WAS married - just not to Majel Barrett at the time. (That's another reason NBC didn't want her as a Co-Lead on Star Trek.) They weren't married until after Star Trek had been canceled.
Aside from claiming that a bunch of supermen were responsible would result in the label of conspiracy theorist...
The deaths are written off as genocides of 1M or less dying in each state; as the Augments controlled 40 states, they’d each have a genocide of 1M or less that was underreported and was not investigated with great detail, even with better internet and independent journalism in the early 21st century. Explaining the total ranging from 30M to 37M deaths.
You’d be surprised at how many genocides have occurred in the past that are unknown to people today, largely because the death toll wasn't very high.
EDIT: Google ‘unknown genocides’ and ‘14 lesser known genocides’ and get back to me.
Chapel is just given more to do on this show. Chapel has been more interesting in the 15 episodes of SNW (so far) than the 79 live action episodes, 22 animated episodes, and 6 movies of TOS.
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Do you get some kind of kick out of starting threads, just to cause a negative pile-on?
Do you enjoy the feeling when the overwhelming majority dismiss your fragile ideas immediately?
Why do it?
But it's not just genocide. It's a war. It's called the Eugenics Wars. We know from TOS that the non-augmented humans eventually fought the Augments. You think they'd be able to cover-up an entire war affecting a quarter of the world's population? It would be like trying to cover up WWII, except it would be even harder in the 90s. In fact, the term Eugenics Wars suggests that the genetic engineering part was common knowledge.
Even if it were underreported, suddenly 40 countries are taken over by hostile factions and genocides start. You really don't think that would be suspicious? 40 genocides
just happening to start at roughly the same time? Khan controlled a quarter of the world's population. You're telling me not a single refugee found their way out and told their story?
In fact, the Eugenics Wars directly lead to a ban on genetic engineering. Why would there be such a fear of genetic engineering if the cause wasn't known at the time? Imagine if no one knew who was behind 9/11. Now imagine that it only became public knowledge recently, over 20 years later. Do you think the calls to invade Afghanistan would be still be so loud? Of course not, because 9/11 is now two decades removed. So why would genetic engineering be banned if almost no one knew the cause of the Eugenics Wars at the time? When did everyone find out, if not when they were happening?
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I know. He wanted to divorce his first wife after the 1st season, but decided to wait. Gene also had an affair with Nichelle Nicols during the early 60s, which she wrote about in her book. And after marrying Barret he carried on an affair with his assistant Susan Hackett. He wasn't exactly the loyal type.
I agree she wasn't the best written character. But the character did have moments to shine that were wasted by the actress.Good Actors bring things to their roles that aren't always on the page.
For instance, if a lesser actor had played Spock just according to the way he was written, then we wouldn't have had many things we associate with Spock. Nimoy was the one who decided Spock shouldn't smile. Nimoy was the one who suggested a neck pinch instead of striking with the butt of a phaser. Nimoy suggested the Vulcan salute when greeting Tpaul. Nimoy suggested the alone time for his feelings in Naked Now. None of those things were written on the page. Same goes for the RRRMP that Rene Auberjonois added to Odo. DS9 writers liked it so much that they started adding it to scripts.
Good Actors are able to take ordinary material and make it better. Bad actors just read what's written and collect a paycheck.
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All reasons why I'll never connect this franchise to the real world no matter how many times producers make fools of themselves trying.
I would also prefer they'd kept the original timeline placement for the Eugenics Wars. But that ship sailed decades ago. If SNW is in a different timeline, than so are DS9, VOY, and PIC.
Which took place in the third world. As in not the first world, where America resides, or the second world, which was made up of the Eastern Bloc. Meaning, in accordance to the context of the 1990s, it was of no concern to America at the time and would not be mentioned on the 6 o’clock or 11 o’ news beyond a 20 second clip stating what violence happened in __ nation that day. And any other news program (the Star Trek version of 60 Minutes, Frontline, etc) that covers it probably doesn’t even call them the Eugenics Wars; the wars in Vietnam, Laos Cambodia in the ‘60s and ‘70s are called the Brush Wars in TOS, so there is already precedent for Earth conflicts being renamed and redefined in-universe. And its also said in TOS that the governments at the time of the Eugenics Wars weren’t going to admit that 80 Napoleans were missing, so the coverup is already happening. The phrasing by Spock ‘third world war’ was correct. A series of conflicts in the third world was not the same thing as WW3.
One nation has a death toll of 500K, another nation has 700K, and another 300K. One nation has 1.4M while another nation has 10K. The government of these nations deny a genocide even happened in their borders. Plus, its stretched out over a four year period – some of the death tolls look negligible - and once its over, the news media stopped paying attention to it.
There's evidence of this happening in the real world too. No one talks about Darfur anymore.
Maybe they were happy? Kirk did say Khan was the best of tyrants. Imagine if Khan’s territory was a safe space for LGBTQ people, was free of racism and sexism, and there was no wealth inequality or inequality in healthcare as wealth is distributed extremely evenly and everyone's healthcare is covered as part of a strong social safety net. Who’s going to leave that?
They would have a reason for banning genetic engineering. Its called Dolly the cloned sheep. That sheep is probably the face of the Shenzhen Accords being developed in-universe, when its really about the Augments.
And maybe documents about genetic engineering that created Augments was Wikileaked and went viral across social media. And the ECON made a stink about it being covered up by the US and other Western governments. Adam Soong did have his Project Khan documents. Maybe he was the one that leaked them?
Yeah, I agree. To be honest, it's unbelievable that the various acts of time travel throughout the franchise haven't had more of an impact. As I've previously mentioned ENT: "Regeneration" wouldn't have occurred if the time travel in First Contact hadn't happened, and the rest of the Temporal Cold War storyline was of course caused by time travel. But it seems like pretty much every other act of time travel either didn't alter the timeline at all or only altered it very slightly. SNW's changing of the dates of the Eugenics Wars represents what the Trek timeline should actually be like - constantly shifting and changing as people travel back in time and change history.
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SCOTT: I must confess, gentlemen. I've always held a sneaking admiration for this one.
KIRK: He was the best of the tyrants and the most dangerous. They were supermen, in a sense. Stronger, braver, certainly more ambitious, more daring.
SPOCK: Gentlemen, this romanticism about a ruthless dictator is
KIRK: Mister Spock, we humans have a streak of barbarism in us. Appalling, but there, nevertheless.
SCOTT: There were no massacres under his rule.
SPOCK: And as little freedom.
MCCOY: No wars until he was attacked.
SPOCK: Gentlemen.
Spock calls him a ruthless dictator and says there was no freedom under his rule. I trust him more than the other people present, seeing as Kirk straight-up admits to humans having a streak of barbarism in them.
Sounds like he fancied himself a real Kirk.
Just no on everything. No, no, nope
On, with, all of the above. Kur-OK!
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