Is Anyone Honestly Impressed By Troi's Overrated Ability?

[Discofan]

Lol, 30 years later 90% of women on Movies And TV are sex still objects.

Can't the same be said about men? Most of the time when there's an ugly man in a movie, he's the villain!! Sometimes he's not even really ugly but they make him uglier for the part, like add a scar or two... The worst part is that people most likely wouldn't go watch the movie if it was the other way around!!

 

[Prax]

We humans are shallow creatures

 

[gakelly]

Typically ugly people are not stars, other than Nicolas Cage (and his uncle is Francis Ford Coppola, so that explains that).

 

[saladdays]

Typically ugly people are not stars, other than Nicolas Cage (and his uncle is Francis Ford Coppola, so that explains that).

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder most of the time, but even assuming that Cage is the epitome of "ugly," there are plenty other "ugly" people who have been in movies. And don't even get me started about singers or bands.

 

[Discofan]

There are stars among the people who play the villains, they are just not as famous as the ones who play the "good guys". Harrison Ford said as much once. He said that he preferred to play the good guy even if the role of a villain is often more interesting because the pay was higher.

 

[Kor]

Troi could sense emotion from an artificial lifeform. That's pretty impressive.

Kor

 

[Discofan]

Sometimes Troi is really helpful. When Picard asks her what she thinks of an alien or a situation and she makes a face like she's just bitten into an unripe fruit.

 

[Delta Geminorum]

She's the Goddess of Empathy.

 

[Marsden]

I don’t think it’s fair to attribute the writers lack of knowledge of psychology to Troi.

Then who is it fair to attribute it to? We can't blame the creators of a characterization for their characterization of a character? Troi is a character, not a real person that the writers did wrong, you know.

 

[XCV330]

I thought they did a good job, in later series, of making Troi an advisor to Picard when he conducts diplomatic missions. It finally made her powers seem useful and practical in a realistic way. If you were negotiating a treaty, who wouldn't want an empath on your side.

The Bene-Gesserit Witch must leave.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Then who is it fair to attribute it to? We can't blame the creators of a characterization for their characterization of a character? Troi is a character, not a real person that the writers did wrong, you know.

You misread my post. I’m saying the writers are the one to blame, not the character.

In the world of a television show, what the writers believe is good psychology is good psychology.

Therefore Troi, having the same body of knowledge as the writers, is good at psychology, within the Star Trek universe.

Calling Troi bad at psychology is wrong, because in her fictional universe, good psychology is defined by the body of knowledge her writers have. If that body of knowledge is not correct in the real world, it has no bearing on the competence of characters in the fictional one.

 

[Marsden]

You misread my post. I’m saying the writers are the one to blame, not the character.

In the world of a television show, what the writers believe is good psychology is good psychology.

Therefore Troi, having the same body of knowledge as the writers, is good at psychology, within the Star Trek universe.

I agree! Sorry for misreading your post.

I think the character had a lot more potential and they really didn't use it.

 

[Makarov]

Without Troi's ability they wouldn't have been able to defeat Shinzon in Nemesis

 

[Discofan]

Without Troi's ability they wouldn't have been able to defeat Shinzon in Nemesis

It's pretty obvious that Shinzon defeated himself. I've never seen a more lazy villain in the whole franchise. There is exactly zero justification for him just farting around as he did, for nearly the entire movie.

 

[jgf]

I often felt Troi was there in lieu of Kirk's "Galactic Playmate of the Week", which wouldn't have worked with Picard, and my main issue was her abilities seemed to vary week to week according to plot requirements. She was a rather dull character (and any episodes featuring her mother I found virtually unwatchable) with a lackluster position - Ship's Councilor; she should have been more dynamic, with a more active job, probably in the medical dept., and her Betazoid abilities used occasionally as needed (much like Spock's mind meld).

 

[Arpy]

It's pretty obvious that Shinzon defeated himself. I've never seen a more lazy villain in the whole franchise. There is exactly zero justification for him just farting around as he did, for nearly the entire movie.

It's called hubris, and whatever you think of it, it still took Troi finding the Viceroy for the heroes to have gotten the baddies. Credit where due.

 

[Mojochi]

I often felt Troi was there in lieu of Kirk's "Galactic Playmate of the Week"

I've always thought she was there because someone had the grand idea to take all of Spock's attributes, emotionlessness, telepathy & alien-ness & spread them out over 3 different characters, Data, Troi & Worf, respectively, & somehow that would diversify the writing potential, which it really didn't all that much. However... Once she was there... well... it goes without saying, that if it's a woman, it must primarily be eye candy, of course

To be fair though, that was really Riker's only original primary purpose too, to be beefcake

 

[Discofan]

I thought she was there for comic relief. I mean you have an alien on the viewscreen looking really upset and she says: "I sense that he's angry."

 

[Mysterion]

She was a rather dull character (and any episodes featuring her mother I found virtually unwatchable) with a lackluster position - Ship's Councilor; she should have been more dynamic, with a more active job,

1. Yes, very dull.
2, I believe the only reason Lwaxana Troi/Majel appeared at all was because she was married to the creator of the show. I dread her appearances, and they even let her defile an episode of DSN.
3. I would at least given Troi a more important title. Diplomatic Liaison Officer or something - maybe have be assigned by the Federation Council or something to introduce some more interesting interaction between her and the rest of the crew.

 

[Discofan]

DSN?