Poll Is age a factor in which season you prefer?

[Lord Garth]

You mean people were being critical of it, because it is nothing but empty calories being trotted around like it is a steak.

Nope. I wish it was just that. I came off of five seasons of the Discovery Forum. And I never once thought people were being driven off. Here, it's a little bit different.

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People who honestly like the season being told they belong to a cult goes way beyond criticism of Picard Season 3 itself. Who'd want to stick around after being accused of that? After the dam broke in that thread, it turned off a lot of people. They felt like they couldn't say anything positive without someone jumping down their throat in an overzealous manner. We're not even going to go into Legacy.

Plus I've got the numbers in the polls and the link to the thread in December in my previous post. People with certain opinions have left, people with certain other opinions are staying. That means this place now has a definitive tilt. But you know what? Everywhere has a tilt.

 

[Lord Garth]

Plus, to quoting from what @EnderAKH said to you in 2020:

Would you say Picard is prime timeline or part of the Discoverse?

Spock had plenty of layers, as written by the creators of the character fifty years ago. Probably why the character has continued to engage people for fifty years. Correct.

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The most relevant part he said is:

I find it FAR more interesting to discuss a show with someone who is invested in it than not, ie, criticism is more like "I love the show, but this episode blew chunks. Where usually Spock is fairly consistently written as being unemotional, in this episode he was shouting 'The WOMEN!' every other sentence," as opposed to the 300th iteration of, "this episode was as bad as all the rest. The acting was decent, but the pacing was as off as it always is, the writing choices were as dumb as they always are, and the effects as usual looked like something cooked up in a TRS-80 in 1988." The first one makes me engage and want to discuss why I might see the show differently. The second one, I may have wanted to engage with the first, or even the 10th time. But two and a half years later? The response to that second one just becomes "We KNOW. We GET IT. So WHY ARE YOU WATCHING A SHOW YOU CLEARLY DISLIKE?"​

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Same thing here. Just saying "Nostalgia! Nostalgia! Nostalgia!" all the time does not a good conversation make. Going into details about specifics does. But without that, just saying one word all the time and sticking to that and nothing but that feels more like chanting and using a buzzword to do the work for you.

Short of anything more engaging, it becomes frustrating for a lot of people so they throw up their hands, become fed up after constantly running up against a brick wall, and move on.

Anyway, I'm just explaining why people left and how that skews results.

 

[James Cole]

Short of anything more engaging, it becomes frustrating for a lot of people so they throw up their hands, become fed up after constantly running up against a brick wall, and move on.

When PS3 was airing, there were regularly over 200 people voting in the "rate the episode" polls. Now this BBS feels like intruding on a group chat of around a dozen people who just swarm any post with something good to say about PS3 or Terry Matalas, whose main objective seems to be to infuse friction into the process of perhaps finding something new and different to say about the series. There could be a topic trying to crowd source and combine everything said about PS2 in different interviews to try and figure out what went on behind the scenes. Instead people just say ahh but Terry was the season 2 showrunner, when they obviously know he was only around for a few episodes playing second fiddle to Akiva Goldsman. In the US senate, they call that a filibuster.

Almost every comment can be predicted in advance. We might as well just call it a census of the people sticking around over a year after the series ended. It's like riding a hamster wheel that never goes anywhere.

 

[Tosk]

It's not unusual for people to be in love with something while it's new only to lose interest later.

...and that doesn't mean I'm trying to claim that everyone lost interest. Just that some may have.

 

[Frontis]

I'm 58 and for me season 1 is clearly the best Picard season. I' really like it and enjoyed watching it.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

I rated each episode right after I saw it, so I can say exactly what I thought about each season without time being a factor at all.

And if I average my scores, the result is... huh, season 2 is better than season 1? Wow, Stardust City Rag is just dragging that first season right down. Well that, plus the all that time spent on the Borg Cube with the Romulan spies. And the way it kept killing people off in horrible ways. I liked Nepenthe at least.

Season 3 is my overall winner though, because it was much better at building to satisfying resolutions. Season 1 felt like a long detour on the way to the fireworks factory, season 2 didn't know where it was going, but season 3 properly set things up and paid them off in distinct arcs. It could've done with less screaming and more lighting though. Man that series had a nasty vibe to it in general.

 

[cooleddie74]

49 and about to turn 50.

And Season 3 by a good margin. It's dumber and contains a lot more fluff and fan service, but I had a much more fun time watching it.

 

[JRob94]

It's not unusual for people to be in love with something while it's new only to lose interest later.

...and that doesn't mean I'm trying to claim that everyone lost interest. Just that some may have.

That’s what happened to me. I really liked S3 while it was airing and the Enterprise-D return absolutely made me emotional and still does when I see a clip of that scene. However, shortly after, I began to rewatch and didn’t like it as much and found lots of issues for me

 

[Tosk]

If I could somehow rate and review seasons 1 and 3 without ever having seen the other, I'd almost definitely vote for S3. I think some of my malice towards it is because PIC was never a good show and I just got progressively more fed up with it. For me, S3 wasn't some miraculous redemption after the insanely awful S2, it was just more of the same but with much nicer wrapping paper.

S2 is a dumpster fire. S3 is the dumpster after they put the fire out, and put some flowers on top of the smouldering garbage.

(Yes, hyperbole at play.)

 

[ThankQ]

It's not unusual for people to be in love with something while it's new

 

[Lord Garth]

I've seen S1 and S3 several times and I still like them almost equally for different reasons. After a year-and-a-half, I don't see that changing. I still like S2, but a bit less. I've also seen that several times and don't expect my opinion to change there either. I'm a Picard Fan. All of it.

 

[DonIago]

I've seen S1 and S3 several times and I still like them almost equally for different reasons. After a year-and-a-half, I don't see that changing. I still like S2, but a bit less. I've also seen that several times and don't expect my opinion to change there either. I'm a Picard Fan. All of it.

While I have a lot of issues with S3, that's just what I think, and I certainly don't think S1 was perfect relative to S3, just better overall. Frankly, I found all of PIC problematic; only my reasons changed with the seasons.

As for the insinuation that people who like S1 more are 'driving off' people who like S3 more, I'd sure like to see some hard evidence of that. Is it not possible that people who previously regarded S3 more highly have since reconsidered their feelings?

The difference between this poll and the prior poll referenced is that which show one 'grew up with' with regards to the franchise isn't necessarily indicative of their chronological age, especially not in this day and age one can essentially start with any series they'd like to start with regardless of their age.

 

[Firebird]

Just about to turn 36 and in retrospect, season 1 did the better job of establishing that things in the world have changed in the 20 or so years since Nemesis. It had a lot of great ideas, it just had an under-baked execution that sorta fell apart at the end. And it also fell victim to modern Trek's tendency to not know how to properly pace a serialized 10 episode story.

Season 2 is pure dogshit and the less said about it, the better.

Season 3 was a big juicy fanservice burger that tasted great at the time, but in the months since, I've come to realize how empty the experience was. The season started out great in the first 4-5 episodes, then devolved into levels of fanfic indulgence that even I wouldn't write in my fanfic.

 

[HotRod]

I doubt anyone has been driven off by criticism of Picard season 3. The fact we're between seasons and haven't seen a live action episode in over a year is why the board has its slow periods. We've got nothing to talk about that we haven't already talked about at least 47 times.

Frankly, if the Cult of Matalas can't take a little ribbing over their deification of Lord Terry, I think they need to grow a thicker skin.

 

[Lord Garth]

As for the insinuation that people who like S1 more are 'driving off' people who like S3 more, I'd sure like to see some hard evidence of that. Is it not possible that people who previously regarded S3 more highly have since reconsidered their feelings?

Some could've changed their opinions; others might've been driven off by the atmosphere here earlier in the year. Some people have told me outright that they haven't posted much anymore because of the negativity. People can change their opinions and too much negativity can drive people away. Both are part of human nature.

And with a lot of people here who prefer Season 1, It's more a case of, "I just dislike Season 1 less." So, I wouldn't necessarily say a lot of them even truly like Season 1, they just dislike it less. Context matters. I like Season 1 more than they do, even though I prefer Season 3 by a hair, because I genuinely like them. I'm not picking the choice I find "less objectionable".

I don't think it does any good to dig any further. It's neither how I plan to spend my day off tomorrow nor Labor Day the day after.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

The most useful thing this poll tells me so far is what I already suspected: people who like Season 3 are being driven off by people who look like they have an axe to grind with it.

I think it just means opinion has shifted. Once the ‘newness’ of something wears off, that’s what happens.

Like how people were shouting from the rooftops how amazing The Force Awakens was on release, only for a more measured view to be taken later.

It doesn’t have to be a conspiracy. Nobody is being driven off.

 

[Lord Garth]

I think it just means opinion has shifted. Once the ‘newness’ of something wears off, that’s what happens.

Like how people were shouting from the rooftops how amazing The Force Awakens was on release, only for a more measured view to be taken later.

It doesn’t have to be a conspiracy. Nobody is being driven off.

See what I said above. I intend to leave it at that.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

@Lord Garth

I saw what you said above. It’s BS.

I preferred Season 3 while it was airing. Given a year, the dust has settled and I now much prefer Season 1 after some reflection.

Opinions shift.

 

[Lord Garth]

@Lord Garth

I saw what you said above. It’s BS.

I preferred Season 3 while it was airing. Given a year, the dust has settled and I now much prefer Season 1 after some reflection.

Opinions shift.

I acknowledged opinions can shift. I didn't say opinions can't shift. I said there could different factors happening at the same time. That's not BS. "A little from Column A, a little from Column B" is an actual concept. And I'm not going to divulge private conversations I've had with other people.

Quoting my next-to-last post and putting the relevant parts in bold:

Some could've changed their opinions; others might've been driven off by the atmosphere here earlier in the year. Some people have told me outright that they haven't posted much anymore because of the negativity. People can change their opinions and too much negativity can drive people away. Both are part of human nature.

EDITED TO ADD: Anyway, the poll as of this typing has gone to 58/42. So movement, either way, it seems, actually is a work-in-progress.

Have a good Labor Day Weekend.

 

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