Poll Is age a factor in which season you prefer?

[cooleddie74]

"I found a potential Fountain of Youth on a planet with medieval technology. I WILL WIPE THEM ALL OUT WITH MY HAND PHASER AND STEAL THIS SUBSTANCE ON BEHALF OF THE FEDERATION."

Then again Professor John Gill of Starfleet Academy - an historian - ends up on an industrializing planet AND TURNS THEM INTO A LITERAL COPY OF THE NAZI REGIME OF THE 20th CENTURY. The Federation produces some real pieces of work for such an enlightened society.

 

[Crazyewok]

But the trouble with Shaw was that the biggest unresolved mystery of the season was "How the hell did he become a captain?" closely followed by "How the hell did he stay a captain?"

The federation got mauled by the Borg and the Dominion 20 years prior. Lot of its best upcoming talent would of been killed.

He is a military officer formed by some of federations worst wars.

 

[cooleddie74]

I'll take Shaw over Ron Tracey and Professor John Gill. Even Admirals like Erik Pressman.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

I'll take Shaw over Ron Tracey and Professor John Gill. Even Admirals like Erik Pressman.

Well yeah. Obviously Shaw is a better leader than the man who lost his whole crew but was too distracted by getting rich from selling a fountain of youth to care. He's arguably better than Literal Space Hitler too!

I'm not judging his morality, the dude will generally do something that appears to be the right thing, or at least go off into his quarters and let someone else do it, I just don't buy that even a weakened Starfleet would promote him to first officer, never mind captain.

 

[Campe]

This.

I find Season 3 right smack in the middle. It's good in places, bad in other places, and stupid in still other places

I think I'll start a thread on that.

Season three is just frustrating. The series spends 20 episodes asking me to care about a certain set of characters just to have them summarily dismissed and to then watch characters who I know, who I do care about, but honestly, have more than said their goodbyes only to have them relive their greatest hits. For me, it’s just frustrating.

But it does have some great moments.

 

[BillJ]

I just don't buy that even a weakened Starfleet would promote him to first officer, never mind captain.

Ben Maxwell was kept in the captain’s chair, even after incredible trauma, same for Picard.

 

[cooleddie74]

Admiral Mark Jameson in Season 1 of TNG basically spent 45 years illegally arming a civil war on a non-Federation world for shits and giggles and put the safety of both the Enterprise-D and Picard's crew at risk in the conflict, one which threatened to pull in the Federation.

 

[Crazyewok]

Ben Maxwell was kept in the captain’s chair, even after incredible trauma, same for Picard.

Yeah Starfleet really has a shit mental health service and duty of care policy.

 

[BillJ]

Yeah Starfleet really has a shit mental health service and duty of care policy.

Maxwell just makes my head hurt. Starfleet put a man who had his wife and child killed by Cardassians, on the Cardassian border with a weapon of mass destruction.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Admiral Mark Jameson in Season 1 of TNG basically spent 45 years illegally arming a civil war on a non-Federation world for shits and giggles and put the safety of both the Enterprise-D and Picard's crew at risk in the conflict, one which threatened to pull in the Federation.

Okay, I think I can skip ahead a bit here.

I could buy that Starfleet had promoted Decker, Tracey, Garth, Styles, Cartwright, Jameson, Satie, Maxwell, Kennelly, Jellico, Pressman, Hudson, Leyton, Dougherty, Ransom, Marcus and Buenamigo to the rank of captain or above.

Maybe not Harriman though.

 

[cooleddie74]

In 2293 the top Captains seem to have been Kirk, Sulu and maybe Saavik (if PIC Season 3 materials released by John Eaves that she was the Captain of the 23rd century Titan at the time of TUC and GEN can be taken with any sized grain of salt). There weren't a whole lot of great officers of command rank by the time of the Khitomer Conference.

Nepotism seems to work in any century.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Plus, look at Ron Tracey in TOS. No way did all of those emotional problems just start up after he lost his crew to the Omega IV virus. He wasn't playing with a full deck before their arrival in orbit if he's that unhinged by the time Kirk and the Enterprise arrive.

Probably from his experience on that Penal Colony.

 

[cooleddie74]

That's male genitalia facility, you monster.

 

[BillJ]

In 2293 the top Captains seem to have been Kirk, Sulu and maybe Saavik (if PIC Season 3 materials released by John Eaves that she was the Captain of the 23rd century Titan at the time of TUC and GEN can be taken with any sized grain of salt). There weren't a whole lot of great officers of command rank by the time of the Khitomer Conference.

Nepotism seems to work in any century.

Just because we didn’t get a lot of material for that time period. And, why even mention Saavik, there’s no indication anywhere on where her career went next.

 

[cooleddie74]

This is the TrekBBS. Pedantic references and handwringing over those references are what we DO.

 

[BillJ]

This is the TrekBBS. Pedantic references and handwringing over those references are what we DO.

I was talking about Eaves.

 

[Crazyewok]

Maxwell just makes my head hurt. Starfleet put a man who had his wife and child killed by Cardassians, on the Cardassian border with a weapon of mass destruction.

Maybe some Admiral at Starfleet command wanted to start a war with the Cardassians. Maybe some admiral from the border colony's.

Set up a false flag to finish the spoon heads off once and for all.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I was talking about Eaves.

The fanboy doesn't stop when you get a pro job.

 

[BillJ]

This is the TrekBBS. Pedantic references and handwringing over those references are what we DO.

It was like in early Discovery, where someone pulled up the five greatest Starfleet captains (Saru, maybe), and it is all names that we already know. Nothing new, just regurgitation.

 

[cooleddie74]

The 23rd century Titan of the late TOS Movie Era.