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[FarStrider]

Re: Is A New Star Trek TV Series Doomed Even More Because of Star Trek

The beautiful thing about those that supported anything with the name "Star Trek" including awful trash like Abrams Trek is they killed Star Trek! Killing what you love so a corporation can make money. There is probably a rule of acquisition covering that. Well there would've been!

Movie opinions aside, there is no reason to go back to the "normal" universe. It's now dated and conflicts with the "mainstream" version of Trek. It'd create viewer confusion.

Star Wars: Clone Wars exists within the normal Star Wars universe. It'd be like Spiderman getting rebooted and then having a Tobey Spiderman TV series developed after the new reboot became a huge, logic defying, success. Just doesn't work that way.

So enjoy your movies that come out every few years...maybe you'll get 2 more. Don't get too attached though because those actors will move on and maybe they'll be replaced or it'll be rebooted again. Maybe, if you're lucky, you can get a TV a cartoon show like clone wars!

Live action TV Trek is dead. Hope you enjoy 2 hours every 2-3 years as opposed to 75 hours of Trek every 3 years.

Abrams' movie didn't kill Trek. . . "Insurrection", "Nemesis" and "Enterprise" did that. . . milking the franchise dry did that. . . 18 years of non-stop television shows did that. . .from 1969 to 1979 there was no new live-action Trek. . . from 1979-1987, we got movies every 2-3 years. . . and we LIKED IT. . . y'all are SPOILED. . . the new movie revived interest in Star Trek, which could eventually lead to new shows. . .otherwise. . . it was D-E-someletter-D DEAD. . .

~FS

 

[Kelso]

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I'm kinda inclined to think the next Trek series will be an animated one aimed at a younger audience with its own continuity (like the various superhero cartoons usually are). Something like that could be announced at anytime, IMO.

I'm thinking the Clone Wars route would be Trek's best bet right now.

God, I wish they would do something like this. If they don't want to risk the money for a Clone Wars style series, then just do something in the style of one of those Batman cartoons.

They need to get the kiddies watching Trek and making their parents buy lots of action figures. I was at Walmart today and they had one Trek figure (on clearance) amongst the walls of Star Wars, Transformers, Iron Man, etc. It made me sad.

 

[Captain Rob]

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My idea of a new series in the PrimeUniverse future after NEM instead of the new timeline was to avoid the millions of threads on this and other boards with people asking "How come there's no (insert TNG-DS9-VOY character name here) on this show? Did they mysteriously die or were not born due to the creation of the new timeline? We want to know what happened to them." The only continuing characters that I would want to see in a new show would be the Federation, Starfleet, and a new and improved USS Enterprise. (-F,-G,-H, whatever)

 

[Pauln6]

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I'd like to see a TOS second 5-year mission animated series set after TMP and featuring my favorite verstion of the Enterprise, all the main TOS crew (including Rand) and loads of alien crewmen (compared to the other shows). NuTrek has certainly put paid to that, but an animated show once the new movie trilogy has finished is a possibility.

 

[Luther Sloan]

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A new animated series would just turn my stomach.
It's like saying... "Hey, Star Trek is not good enough for live action TV for adults anymore". "Here is slapped together cartoon for kids".

I don't want to see that happen.
Granted, that's not to say that there couldn't be a cool animated series if it had the right creative team behind it. However, I would test the market first with an animated direct to DVD movie maybe and focus more on quality than quantity. Make it more for adults and not for kids. I am sick and tired of American cartoons having to always be for the kiddies. Now, that doesn't mean I want a Heavy Metal movie of Star Trek. But I would like to see them shock or surprise us once in a while.

Personally, I don't think they would ever do that. So it is best to wait about 5-6 years until they can possibly do a live action series set in the Abrams-verse.

 

[Char Aznable]

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Live action TV Trek is dead. Hope you enjoy 2 hours every 2-3 years as opposed to 75 hours of Trek every 3 years.

I'd rather watch 2 hours of QUALITY Trek every 2-3 years than 75 hours of decent to shitty Trek every three years.

 

[startrekrcks]

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I don't think there is plans to do a new Trek tv series not until Abrams Trek films have been done am I making sense?

 

[Dusty Ayres]

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Since Paramount and CBS are the same company; they could make a new series and put it on any network not just CBS.

They are still linked, yes, but CBS Studios programing can only be seen on CBS and it's sister channel (Showtime). And Star Trek is a trademark of CBS Studios. Maybe it can be shown on Showtime, or a deal can be worked out with SyFy to show a new show, but it's either CBS, Showtime, or nothing at this point.

There are plenty of available time slots out there; both broadcast and cable. CBS broadcast seems currently happy limiting itself to reality shows, procedurals or half-hour comedies. I believe with the consensus that they will do more movies first before doing another TV show. I could see another show in 8 to 10 years from now utilizing the prime universe after Romulus exploded with a Star Trek XI look and feel. Possibly a jump to the beginning of the 25th century. By that time the state of the art (and cost) of SFX would have caught up with today's' movies.

CSI's gotta die off sometime.

Sadly, I think that CBS will find a way to keep CSI on the air for a while yet, just with different people.

I hope and pray that CBS can get a change of owners who love Star Trek, or that the ownership of Star Trek can somehow go back to Paramount by way of Paramount launching a TV division, but all indications point to CBS Corporation being around a while as a company; it's not financially fucked up like MGM or EMI Music, and makes money/ratings from both the CSI and Survivor franchises. Star Trek is a cash cow that they don't want to spend the money making shows of, that's all.

A new animated series would just turn my stomach.
It's like saying... "Hey, Star Trek is not good enough for live action TV for adults anymore". "Here is slapped together cartoon for kids".

I don't want to see that happen.
Granted, that's not to say that there couldn't be a cool animated series if it had the right creative team behind it. However, I would test the market first with an animated direct to DVD movie maybe and focus more on quality than quantity. Make it more for adults and not for kids. I am sick and tired of American cartoons having to always be for the kiddies. Now, that doesn't mean I want a Heavy Metal movie of Star Trek. But I would like to see them shock or surprise us once in a while.

The cartoons from Warner Bros. Animation (Batman: The Animates Series, Superman: The Animated Series, Justice League, Justice League Unlimited, Batman Beyond, The Zeta Project, Static Shock, Superman: Doomsday, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Batman: Gotham Knight) were both for adults and children, and were amazing, with great stories; there's no reason why a Star Trek animated show can't be either. Don't believe me? Check out this show: Star Trek: Aurora

 

[Luther Sloan]

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Justice League Unlimited was pretty descent. As for DC's direct to DVD movies in general: well, they have been huge let downs for me.

The only ones I really loved is Public Enemies and Batman vs. Dracula.

My personal favorites are the Marvel ones, though (Ultimates 1 and 2, Doctor Strange, and Hulk Vs).

However, I think that if they are going to tackle Star Trek as an animated anything... they need to make it a top notch thing and not some Batman Animated Series.

 

[Char Aznable]

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Justice League Unlimited was pretty descent. As for DC's direct to DVD movies in general: well, they have been huge let downs for me.

The only ones I really loved is Public Enemies and Batman vs. Dracula.

Seriously? I mean, you didn't even like New Frontier, Wonder Woman, or Green Lantern? I mean, I agree their a bit hit and miss at times, but when they're good, they're great IMO. Though, I think the one that most impressed me recently was the Spectre short film.

 

[Captain Rob]

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They are still linked, yes, but CBS Studios programing can only be seen on CBS and it's sister channel (Showtime). And Star Trek is a trademark of CBS Studios. Maybe it can be shown on Showtime, or a deal can be worked out with SyFy to show a new show, but it's either CBS, Showtime, or nothing at this point.

Not true. After the merger, all television product goes through CBS and all movies go through Paramount. TOS-R has a CBS logo on the end and I've been watching it on a non-CBS channel. Also, I watch "Entertainment Tonight" almost every night on the local ABC affiliate and ET has a CBS logo on the end of it. It used to have a Paramount logo pre-merger. The CBS logo even uses the Paramount fanfare. Which sounds exactly like the old TOS fanfare with a couple of notes transposed.

 

[Greg Cox]

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The beautiful thing about those that supported anything with the name "Star Trek" including awful trash like Abrams Trek is they killed Star Trek! Killing what you love so a corporation can make money. There is probably a rule of acquisition covering that. Well there would've been!

Movie opinions aside, there is no reason to go back to the "normal" universe. It's now dated and conflicts with the "mainstream" version of Trek. It'd create viewer confusion.

Star Wars: Clone Wars exists within the normal Star Wars universe. It'd be like Spiderman getting rebooted and then having a Tobey Spiderman TV series developed after the new reboot became a huge, logic defying, success. Just doesn't work that way.

So enjoy your movies that come out every few years...maybe you'll get 2 more. Don't get too attached though because those actors will move on and maybe they'll be replaced or it'll be rebooted again. Maybe, if you're lucky, you can get a TV a cartoon show like clone wars!

Live action TV Trek is dead. Hope you enjoy 2 hours every 2-3 years as opposed to 75 hours of Trek every 3 years.

Abrams' movie didn't kill Trek. . . "Insurrection", "Nemesis" and "Enterprise" did that. . . milking the franchise dry did that. . . 18 years of non-stop television shows did that. . .from 1969 to 1979 there was no new live-action Trek. . . from 1979-1987, we got movies every 2-3 years. . . and we LIKED IT. . . y'all are SPOILED. . . the new movie revived interest in Star Trek, which could eventually lead to new shows. . .otherwise. . . it was D-E-someletter-D DEAD. . .

~FS

Amen. The new movie didn't kill STAR TREK. It saved it.

 

[C.E. Evans]

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Amen. The new movie didn't kill STAR TREK. It saved it.

As far as there will be another movie soon, yeah, but I'm inclined to think that even if Star Trek X failed, Trek would have been brought back eventually (even if many years from now) because of Hollywood's tendency now to recycle ideas and remake things that were even remotely popular once.

Jeez, they're even remaking Arnold Schwarzenegger's Commando...

 

[Luther Sloan]

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Seriously? I mean, you didn't even like New Frontier, Wonder Woman, or Green Lantern? I mean, I agree their a bit hit and miss at times, but when they're good, they're great IMO.

Hated New Frontier. I shut if off about 15 minutes or so in. The animation, the voice casting, and the story was very poor or awkward IMO. Wonder Woman animated movie was descent. Green Lantern was a step below that.

I am very picky when it comes to animation. The Incredibles is a masterpiece of an animated film in my opinion. They need to have him direct a Star Trek Direct to DVD animated movie. But I don't think that will happen (unfortunately).

 

[Dusty Ayres]

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I am very picky when it comes to animation. The Incredibles is a masterpiece of an animated film in my opinion. They need to have him direct a Star Trek Direct to DVD animated movie. But I don't think that will happen (unfortunately).

Sorry, but the animation style of The Incredibles works fine-for The Incredibles. For a Star Trek animated movie, you'd need (and I want) something like the style of CGI seen in Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within, Star Trek Aurora, or maybe even Star Wars: The Clone Wars, or, if you want to make a analog animated movie, something along the lines of Invasion: America. The cartoony style seen in The Incredibles would make the Star Trek characters look silly and dumb, and not at all heroic (too much like Go Animate for my tastes.)

By 'him', I presume you mean Brad Bird? If so, maybe, but I want any potential animated movie about Star Trek by him done in the style of the shows I mentioned above, and not in some hand-me down 'Universal Man' style as seen at Pixar. If that means having the style of the Filmation cartoon, then so be it-at least that style is realistic.

 

[Luther Sloan]

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Sorry, but the animation style of The Incredibles works fine-for The Incredibles.

Dusty:

No. Obviously you wouldn't make a Star Trek series look like the characters from the Incredibles. That would be very awkward. I was just saying the movie in general is a good example of animation done right. I was not suggesting that the actual character style should be used for a new Star Trek Animated series.

For a Star Trek animated movie, you'd need (and I want) something like the style of CGI seen in Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within,

See, the thing about CGI movies like that is that they look like a video game. Hey, if your into video games and you like that style... that is cool. I don't want to knock that. In fact, I did mildly enjoy Resident Evil: Degeneration. However, that direct to DVD movie works because it is based off a popular video game already.

To me: If you make it CGI without it being based on a popular video game: It feels like I am watching someone creating a Poser movie that I could have done if I had enough time and money.

Star Trek Aurora

Star Trek what?

or maybe even Star Wars: The Clone Wars,

Still not the best style of animation in my opinion. Sure, the later Clone Wars stuff was entertaining and didn't look totally video game-ish, but it still felt like it was more for kids than it was for something that an adult could truly appreciate. At least in my opinion, anyways.

By 'him', I presume you mean Brad Bird? If so, maybe, but I want any potential animated movie about Star Trek by him done in the style of the shows I mentioned above, and not in some hand-me down 'Universal Man' style as seen at Pixar. If that means having the style of the Filmation cartoon, then so be it-at least that style is realistic.

Yes, that's exactly what I meant, my friend.

 

[Gaith]

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Live action TV Trek is dead. Hope you enjoy 2 hours every 2-3 years as opposed to 75 hours of Trek every 3 years.

I'd rather watch 2 hours of QUALITY Trek every 2-3 years than 75 hours of decent to shitty Trek every three years.

This. There's enough other good art out there that we don't need mountains of Trek merely to pass the time.

How many of us are really going to say on our deathbeds, "Man, I wish I'd watched more Star Trek tv episodes?!"

 

[Temis the Vorta]

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CBS has no motive to think twice or even once about Star Trek. They have very few slots they need to fill next season because their strategy of hewing to police procedurals, sitcoms and reality TV is working out very well and cancellations are not merited. Maybe someday this strategy will no longer work - their audience ain't getting any younger - but that's not even on the horizon yet.

So if you were in charge of CBS, why would you bother with a real outlier like Star Trek? It's not part of your strategy. The audience for Star Trek isn't your audience, which will make it hard to cross-promote. Pushing Star Trek isn't going to help your career. The only shows that get made are the ones that help someone's career.

 

[Dusty Ayres]

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CBS has no motive to think twice or even once about Star Trek. They have very few slots they need to fill next season because their strategy of hewing to police procedurals, sitcoms and reality TV is working out very well and cancellations are not merited. Maybe someday this strategy will no longer work - their audience ain't getting any younger - but that's not even on the horizon yet.

So if you were in charge of CBS, why would you bother with a real outlier like Star Trek? It's not part of your strategy. The audience for Star Trek isn't your audience, which will make it hard to cross-promote. Pushing Star Trek isn't going to help your career. The only shows that get made are the ones that help someone's career.

Which makes one wonder why CBS owns it in the first place. This situation would make Gene Roddenberry roll in his grave-the network that didn't want to show his creation originally back in 1964 now owns it in 2010, but still doesn't want to show it or make a TV show out of it. So the question is, why do they own it? Why not sell the rights to Lucasfilm Ltd., and let that company make a show out of it, animated or not?

This is the reason America and the world needs a new form of antitrust that will break up these media monopolies but good.

 

[Set Harth]

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I was at Walmart today and they had one Trek figure (on clearance) amongst the walls of Star Wars, Transformers, Iron Man, etc.

That's because it was Robau, and his figure can take on all the Star Wars, Transformers, and Iron Man figures at once.

I'm inclined to think that even if Star Trek X failed

It did.