Iron Fist (Marvel/Netflix)

[Reverend]

^Personally, I find the mask to be the most problematic element since, as you say it sort of needs to be there to work, but on the other hand I'm not sure how well it'll translate to real life and not look both impractical and silly.
It worked for Matt's improvised pre-devil costume because it was entirely black and it didn't matter if it covered his eyes. But one of those in bright yellow with back and white eye markings? I don't see how that could work and have him not stick out like a sore thumb next to the other three.

Mind you, it's worth remembering that for the most part, the trailer footage from previous Marvel Netflix shows tended to stick almost entirely to the first half of their respective seasons. So you can pretty much guarantee there's a lot we're not being show and one of those things may indeed be the classic yellow & green outfit. So who knows?

 

[JD]

If we do get the costume, I'm expecting it to be as close to the comics as Daredevil's is. I think with a few changes they could find a mask that is similar to the comics one, but still works. I think the giant collar wold be more likely to go.

 

[Nerys Myk]

They'll probably use the current track suit version.

 

[Reverend]

If we do get the costume, I'm expecting it to be as close to the comics as Daredevil's is. I think with a few changes they could find a mask that is similar to the comics one, but still works. I think the giant collar wold be more likely to go.

Thing is the Daredevil mask works because he's supposed to be blind so it doesn't matter that his eyes are obviously covered. The dark muted hues also help.
If you took that same mask, shaved off the horns, poked out the eye coverings and painted it yellow and black, you'd pretty much have the Iron Fist mask and it'd look bloody ridiculous. I suspect the most we'll get is a bandanna or a do rag.

And yeah I'd say ditching the collar is a given.

 

[JD]

It sounds like the Iron Fist dragon, Shou-Lao will be a part of the story of the show, but it's not known if he'll actually appear on screen. If he does I think he'll probably the most fantastic thing we've seen in the Marvel/Netflix shows.

 

[Reverend]

It sounds like the Iron Fist dragon, Shou-Lao will be a part of the story of the show, but it's not known if he'll actually appear on screen. If he does I think he'll probably the most fantastic thing we've seen in the Marvel/Netflix shows.

I don't know, I think Dark Elves, Frost Giants and Dormammu Eater of Souls are at least comparable to a dragon god, no?

 

[JD]

Sure, that was why I specified just the Netflix shows, not the MCU in general.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Finn Jones discusses the "White Savior" controversy...

I get where that frustration comes from. I get the need for diversity and equality in television and film… well, actually in every aspect of life. Right now we live in a culture and a world where we are very unequal in politics, in economics, and in culture. We are being fucked over massively by the top dudes. I stand up for people, I stand up for people across all borders.

With this instance in particular, what I struggle with and what frustrates me is that people are commenting on the headline without understanding the full picture, without understanding the full story. What you’ll find with the way that we’re telling this story is we’re addressing the issues that people are very concerned about in a very intelligent and modern way.

Danny Rand is not a white savior. Danny Rand can hardly save himself, let alone an entire race of people. He is a very complicated, vulnerable individual. He doesn’t just show up, like, ‘Hey dudes, I’ve just learned martial arts! I’m going to save the world.’ Actually, it’s the complete opposite. He’s gone through and suffered immense trauma and he is struggling to claim his own sanity and identity back.

In the comic books, that place is essentially an Asian culture. Now K’un Lun in our version, it is a very diverse place. It’s a mystical kingdom in an alternate dimension, but it is populated by people from all over the map. You’ve got South Americans there, you’ve got Europeans there, you’ve got of course Asians there. It’s a diverse space, and we address Danny’s inability to honor and hold responsible the Iron Fist — like, that is part of the story, the fact he has this title, but is unable to harness the responsibility of what that means. And Danny is on a journey to hopefully better himself and hopefully learn to earn the right to hold the Iron Fist… and hopefully in that journey, we address the issues which people are concerned about.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Great interview. Where is that from?

 

[Turtletrekker]

I found it through MCU Exchange, but it came originally from Buzzfeed.

 

[JD]

Finn Jones discusses the "White Savior" controversy...

To go along with that Jessica Henwick has also addressed the approach they are taking to the potential stereotypes in Colleen Wing's character. I got the quote off of CBR, who go it from an interview she did with Collider.

For me, when they approached me about Colleen, I was a little bit like, huh, do I want to play an Asian woman who does martial arts who’s a love interest? Do I want to do those three things? Because I’ve always shied away from it. In fact, I’ve shied away from playing Asian characters, if you look back I’m playing characters that have no relevance to my ethnicity. But I reached a stage last year where I said, I want to start telling Asian stories, I want a young Asian girl to go, oh my god, that reminds me of my relationship with my mom. So I had some concerns, and Jeph Loeb rang me and he said, ‘We’re going to take the stereotype, and we’re going to — we’re not going to avoid it, we’re going to inspect it.’ For example, she is, I don’t know how many episodes you’ve seen, she’s a martial artist, she fights in fight cages, we’ve seen that before. What happens when you become addicted to that? What happens when you can only talk with your fists and you struggle to communicate on any other level and you’ve become addicted to fighting? So we’ve taken this stereotype and we’ve said, OK, what is the actual realism in it? You know? Which was interesting to me.”

 

[The Nth Doctor]

That quote from Jessica Henwick is also really reassuring.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Finn Jones appears to like the idea of a Heroes for Hire show:

Iron Fist hasn’t even made its debut on Netflix, but its star Finn Jones already has some ideas for the future of Marvel TV. Speaking to Nerdist, he floated the idea of a series centered around the respective teams Heroes For Hire and Daughters Of The Dragon. That would likely mean his Danny Rand teaming up with Mike Colter’s Luke Cage, and then joining forces with Jessica Henwick’s Colleen Wing and Simone Missick’s Misty Knight. “I think it would be awesome to see a television series with the Heroes For Hire and the Daughters [Of The] Dragon working together to take down crime,” he said. Now, mind you, all of the involved characters will be involved in the upcoming The Defenders, but it seems Jones is dreaming of something a little less sprawling. However, he’s also jumping the gun just a bit, considering Iron Fist is due to drop March 17.

 

[Skywalker]

Merging the Luke Cage and Iron Fist characters into an ensemble Heroes for Hire show also makes sense from a production perspective, it'd free the crew up to add another show should they wish to do so.

 

[JD]

Weren't the Daughters of the Dragon also members of Heroes for Hire at one time? So couldn't they just have them all as one team rather than teams working together?

 

[Christopher]

Weren't the Daughters of the Dragon also members of Heroes for Hire at one time? So couldn't they just have them all as one team rather than teams working together?

I think that's what Finn Jones meant in the above quote -- a single show featuring both HfH and DotD as a foursome. Which I think is a good idea.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Actually, Misty and Colleen's business was originally called "Nightwing Restorations", and Luke originally worked for them. They took up the more familiar "Heroes for Hire" long after Luke and Danny originally stopped using it.

 

[Ethros]

Netflix's Iron Fist won’t be wearing his costume (or even a mask) anytime soon

Well that's my interest gone.
I can understand the reasons why... but whatever. Are these shows all made by that guy who once told Kevin Smith how to do a Superman film?

 

[Christopher]

Netflix's Iron Fist won’t be wearing his costume (or even a mask) anytime soon

Well that's my interest gone.

I don't see why. The series isn't about the costume, it's about the guy who wears it. And the showrunner gives a good explanation for why Danny's not ready to be a costumed hero at the time of this series. Maybe he'll adopt a costume by the end of The Defenders.

 

[Reverend]

Are these shows all made by that guy who once told Kevin Smith how to do a Superman film?

I haven't seen a giant spider punching a polar bear yet, so probably not.

Anyway, the whole point of these shows is to show the more grounded street-level heroes of the MCU. What purpose, other than comic book convention would a costume serve for the likes of Luke, Danny or Jessica? Luke has very much come out of hiding, Jessica never hid who or what she was and as for Danny...well we don't exactly know what's going on with him yet
It works for Matt because part of his whole thing is the Batman-like "scare the shit out of people while beating them unconscious" approach. Even then, it's still at it's core a tactical suit with only a slight theatrical flourish, like Punisher's skull warpaint on the body armour.

Hell, even with the relatively colourful Avengers they've been careful not to have "costumes" but practical wardrobe that has a reason to be there, hence, no silly facemask for Hawkeye. They even came up with a plausible reason why Peter's outfit (by far the most "costume-like" of all) is designed the way it is, right down to the eye protection.

Regardless, this is Danny Rand's introduction. He's not The Iron Fist yet just as Matt was't really Daredevil in the beginning of his show. If and when Danny ever puts on the mask, you will want him to have earned it.