Insurrection vs Nemesis

[QuasarVM]

Of the TNG cast films, it always seems to come down to these two for the worst of the TNG Trek films. I love Trek and I know everyone on here does as well obviously, but it is sometimes fun to nitpick and these two deserve it! I have only seen them both once and I thought INS was worse, but I am thinking of purchasing them and wanted to know which one was worse from the experts.

INS feels like a bad 2-part TNG episode.
NEM is a joke with a clone that in no way resembles Picard whatsoever.

Which one is worse and why?

Insurrection.

The whys:

1.) The Klingon zit
2.) The joystick
3.) Data singing
4.) Ridiculous plastic surgery stretchy-face aliens
5.) A story even lamer than Nemesis (if that's possible)

 

[jamestyler]

Insurrection just doesn't work. For all the reasons mentioned. It's the only Trek film I have no wich to buy, which is annoying as it's typically the only one left in the shops

Nemesis gets a lot of criticism, but everyone I've debated it with in person never backs it up enough for me to buy the argument which ends up becoming OTT when challenged. It's not my favourite, but it's far from the worst.

 

[Cyke101]

Nemesis repeated a ton of mistakes that the worst Voyager (nevermind TNG) episodes would make:

-super-de-dooper technology!
-insufficient character development!
-shields are at X%!
-evil twin!
-convoluted plot!
-insufficient villain development!
-yet another plot to destroy Earth?
-insufficient plot development!

 

[The Grim Ghost]

Insurrection was just plain dull and the mediocrity of it was only broken up with BAD humor.

Nemesis was poo on a stick.

Take your pick.

 

[RyanKCR]

I believe it corrected a lot of mistakes that the show made. This was closer to what I believe TNG should have been.

Would you care to elaborate on how Nemesis did this, and what "mistakes" TNG made?

For one thing Picard kept the spine he grew in FC. None of this how can we negotiate when being fired at. He had a bit of one in Insurrection but that movie was just so bad.

No real non-sci-fi subplot that ends up overtaking the main plot.

A good starship battle and not making them look too much like 1 man fighters (I hated that battle in FC.)

Data becoming fully human in that he gave his life and truly understood what that meant and not just doing it out of a programmed loyalty.

 

[Anika Hanson]

I prefer Nemesis. Insurrection would have been much better as an episode. It didnt even need to be a 2 parter just a single episode would have been fine. For me it wasnt really movie material. Nemesis had a better storyline and the end battle scene was great.

 

[QuasarVM]

I prefer Nemesis. Insurrection would have been much better as an episode. It didnt even need to be a 2 parter just a single episode would have been fine. For me it wasnt really movie material. Nemesis had a better storyline and the end battle scene was great.

I agree...it might have made a decent hour of TNG, but I bet had they done that as an episode a lot of that silliness would not have made it on air. A lot of the really stupid things they did in Generations, Insurrection and Nemesis would probably never have gotten into an episode of TNG.

 

[QuasarVM]

Insurrection just doesn't work. For all the reasons mentioned. It's the only Trek film I have no wich to buy, which is annoying as it's typically the only one left in the shops

Nemesis gets a lot of criticism, but everyone I've debated it with in person never backs it up enough for me to buy the argument which ends up becoming OTT when challenged. It's not my favourite, but it's far from the worst.

I don't own either Insurrection OR Nemesis...and I've seen them for like, $7.99 on DVD at different places (Walmart?) and I STILL wouldn't buy them...

 

[Captain Zog]

Insurrection has the look and feel of a Star Trek film. It's well directed and has a nice score. It's also bland and belongs on the small screen - a terrible climb-down from the soaring heights attained by First Contact. It's basically dull.

Nemesis is a poorly-conceived, badly written TNG clone of The Warth of Khan with some spectacular visuals and some of Trek's greatest battle sequences. The whole plot is nonsensical but it's more fun than the more sober Insurrection.

Neither movie is a classic, but in terms of my personal preference, I'd have to go with Nemesis. It's just more fun and it has it's moments, i.e. Data's death (even if unwise) is still moving.

 

[QuasarVM]

Insurrection has the look and feel of a Star Trek film. It's well directed and has a nice score. It's also bland and belongs on the small screen - a terrible climb-down from the soaring heights attained by First Contact. It's basically dull.

Nemesis is a poorly-conceived, badly written TNG clone of The Warth of Khan with some spectacular visuals and some of Trek's greatest battle sequences. The whole plot is nonsensical but it's more fun than the more sober Insurrection.

Neither movie is a classic, but in terms of my personal preference, I'd have to go with Nemesis. It's just more fun and it has it's moments, i.e. Data's death (even if unwise) is still moving.

Nemesis IS the better film of the two -- in my opinion -- but as I mentioned in another thread (where I essentially killed the thread...tee hee!) Data's death had no impact on my emotions whatsoever.

It was an utterly lame death scene...and the character (like Kirk!) deserved a better sendoff!

 

[Siwilliams]

Insurrection is good, Nemesis is alright, but Insurrection is so much better

 

[Peach Wookiee]

Insurrection was okay... But the boob joke...

 

[steven87gill]

I have no major problems with INS. Certainly it is lackluster and probably wasn't worthy of motion picture status, but it doesn't leave me with a bad taste in my mouth like NEM does.

I agree, also there's something about the acting in Nemesis that feels a bit, 'off'. It's hard to explain, but everyone feels a bit out of character.

 

[QuasarVM]

If that joystick and Klingon zit didn't leave a bad taste in your mouth then nothing will...

Ugh. Bleech.

TERRIBLE!!!

 

[Krieg1981]

Nemesis was lame, but Insurrection was much worse IMHO. lame bad guys, a silly premiss and bad dialogue make it a bust for me. Nemesis is marginally better.........I'm a big proponent of space battles.

 

[punkydrewster]

Both of these films sucked like nascar. What the fuck were they thinking? After FC they give us this!?! I just wanna forget.

 

[Ward Fowler]

To me, Nemesis was an average TNG movie. Insurrection was an embarrassment.

 

[Dukhat]

I believe it corrected a lot of mistakes that the show made. This was closer to what I believe TNG should have been.

Would you care to elaborate on how Nemesis did this, and what "mistakes" TNG made?

For one thing Picard kept the spine he grew in FC. None of this how can we negotiate when being fired at. He had a bit of one in Insurrection but that movie was just so bad.

Ah, I see. When you said "TNG" what you really meant was Insurrection.

No real non-sci-fi subplot that ends up overtaking the main plot.

What?

A good starship battle and not making them look too much like 1 man fighters (I hated that battle in FC.)

I totally have no idea what you're talking about. The battle in FC consisted of large Federation starships taking on the Borg cube, and it was way more exciting than Nemesis' stupid, boring battle and ridiculous ramming scene between the Enterprise and the Scimitar.

Data becoming fully human in that he gave his life and truly understood what that meant and not just doing it out of a programmed loyalty.

Data would have done that at any point from "Encounter at Farpoint" onwards. The movie had nothing to do with that. Data died because Brent Spiner didn't want to play him anymore. And if Spiner would have known that this pile of crap would have been the last TNG movie anyway, he probably wouldn't have bothered having Data die.

 

[cardinal biggles]

He'd been trying to have Data killed since the writing phase of Insurrection; the early, "Heart of Darkness" draft actually has Picard kill Data, only to discover that Data was right to defend the 'natives,' and the crew takes up arms to defend them. When the final script for Insurrection was completed, supposedly Spiner's copy included a note from Rick Berman reading, "Sorry, maybe next time."

 

[spoonunseptium]

Hm. I don't think I've seen Insurrection, but I liked Nemesis.

Ofcourse, I was also 12 when I watched it in theatres, so I don't know what that says about my opinion >.>


My favorite part is when the Enterprise crashes into the clone's ship. That was an awesome scene- atleast to me, because I like big epic disasters, like a destroyed star ship.

eh. I watched Nemesis again a few months ago and I honestly wasn't as impressed with it as I was when I was 12. Though I still love the so-called ramming scene.