Insurrection vs Nemesis

[Plomeek Broth]

Of the TNG cast films, it always seems to come down to these two for the worst of the TNG Trek films. I love Trek and I know everyone on here does as well obviously, but it is sometimes fun to nitpick and these two deserve it! I have only seen them both once and I thought INS was worse, but I am thinking of purchasing them and wanted to know which one was worse from the experts.

INS feels like a bad 2-part TNG episode.
NEM is a joke with a clone that in no way resembles Picard whatsoever.

Which one is worse and why?

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

resembles in no way??? psssh, they were both bald! what more could you ask for

"and the eyes. surely you recognize the eyes."

 

[SonicRanger]

INS is worse. The writing in general is worse, and so is the dialog, which is cringe-inducing in INS. The "humor" was awful in INS: the "firmer boobs" part is vile, Klingon zit jokes are stupid, etc. The "slowing down time" part made no sense and seemed like it came from a different episode... er, movie. The "villians" and their sudden reconciliation didn't work. The Sona bridge and the collector looked really cheap, even unfinished. The grandiose title "Insurrection" never paid off in the film. Most of INS didn't work, and although not a lot worked in NEM either, INS is on-the-whole worse.

 

[Plomeek Broth]

The reason I ask is because I always see threads on here ripping Nemesis which is warranted, but I was wondering what about the train wreck that is Insurrection? At least Nemesis had action and Ron Perlman and Dina Meyer were in it!

 

[mythme]

I have no major problems with INS. Certainly it is lackluster and probably wasn't worthy of motion picture status, but it doesn't leave me with a bad taste in my mouth like NEM does.

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

this thread reminds me of the age old scenario:

If you are in a swimming pool of barf, and someone is about to barf on your head, do you let them or do you submerge your head?

neither is a pretty option

 

[Dane_Whitman]

Insurrection is worse. It would have made a pretty mediocre season 7 twoparter. I hate the jokes and the SFX looked television budget. Despite its many flaws, at least Nemesis was a movie.

 

[dave_R_treker]

Insurrection is the worse. It had a just alright story line to it. It wouldn't even make a good 2 part episode.
Nemesis, though had flaws, and there were many, could have had potental to being a really great movie.

 

[Orac Zen]

It's a choice between dumb and dumber. Which movie is which is a matter of personal choice.

For mine, Insurrection is dumb - the Federation flagship being piloted with a joystick, the stupid "humour", "goodies" too boring to care about, "baddies" too boring to function as baddies, yet another imbecilic admiral (do these people get lobotomies with their promotions?), dull-as-dishwater "love" interest for Picard. Nemesis is dumber - ridiculously stupid plot (the Romulans "somehow" got a DNA sample from Picard? And made a clone that looks nothing like him to...what, exactly?), boring fanboy action sequences, "killing" Data for no particular reason and then undoing what impact it had with the Picard-B4 (such a witty name, that, for yet another Data prototype) scene near the end, another dull villain, plot holes the Enterprise could fly through with a few parsecs of room to spare... They're both crap but for mine Nemesis is the poorer of the two - albeit not by much.

 

[ancient]

Both feature extremely dumb villains that somehow have built ships that dwarf the Enterprise in size and firepower. Was Khan's ship an ubership? No, he just fought dirty, and so did Kirk. That's why it was fun. Somehow this escaped the notice of the later writers and we ended up with horrific fanboy designs and completely boring battles where the ships are just blasting away at eachother.

Oh yeah, the movies. Nemesis is much worse. Cheesy, out of place jokes I can handle. But Nemesis was utter tripe beginning to end.

 

[RyanKCR]

Since Nemesis is the best of the TNG films I don't get your question.

 

[Dukhat]

Since Nemesis is the best of the TNG films I don't get your question.

I'm assuming this is your opinion, because nothing factual backs up that statement.

 

[RyanKCR]

Since Nemesis is the best of the TNG films I don't get your question.

I'm assuming this is your opinion, because nothing factual backs up that statement.

I believe it corrected a lot of mistakes that the show made. This was closer to what I believe TNG should have been.

 

[Dukhat]

I believe it corrected a lot of mistakes that the show made. This was closer to what I believe TNG should have been.

Would you care to elaborate on how Nemesis did this, and what "mistakes" TNG made?

 

[Plomeek Broth]

It is humorous how the writers seem to always play the Tons of Action Card for the movies for reasons unknown other than to entice non-Trek fans. It almost seems out of continuity when this is done.

 

[RoJoHen]

Since Nemesis is the best of the TNG films I don't get your question.

I'm assuming this is your opinion, because nothing factual backs up that statement.

I believe it corrected a lot of mistakes that the show made. This was closer to what I believe TNG should have been.

I hope you realize that you are in a very very very small minority here.

NEM sucked balls. I can't even watch it straight through.

INS wasn't anything special, but I still enjoy it.

 

[Gaius Baltar]

Probably prefer insurrection but both films are terrible insurrection was a better concept in theory having the crew turn renegade and taking a stand against the federation but was poorly written and executed while nemesis was trying to be a next generation version of the wrath of khan and failed miserably. The nemesis spoof below is worth a read just for laughs.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Nemesis/Pictorial-1.html

 

[Silversmok3]

Nemesis was without question,worse.

Insurrection was dull with lame jokes;

Nemesis consisted of a slave race building a planet killer starship secretly,without the Tal Shiar or ANY intelligence agency's knowledge,and them giving it to a Romulan DNA experiment who uses it to waste a planet he knows nothing about rather than seeking a cure .

And that is only one of many plot holes in that tragic film.

Its only constructive purpose is to show off the Enterprise E flying.

 

[arch101]

Insurrection is a badly-written two=part TV ep. There's just too many little things that are bad about it to save it. What was most disappointing about it was that it was the follow-up to the excellent First Contact, and we expected much more. Still, the idea of a corrupt government office forcing a relocation could have been a pretty dramatic Trek story.
Nemesis, on the other hand, returns to the big-budget movie feel of FC, but it suffers from the opposite flaws of Insurrection. It has some great little moments but really big parts of the plot are flawed. The battle sequence is arguably the best in all the Trek films, and the final scene with Picard and Riker was perfect. But he whole concept of a Picard clone running the Romulan Empire? Come f***ing on. How stupid did they think we were that we might buy that as a plausible or entertaining story? (as plausible as sci-fi can be). For people who have been watching Trek for 30-odd years (like me), it was insulting. Too bad TNG didn't get their TMP as I always hoped. (by that I mean a big-concept, SERIOUS science fiction tome)

 

[Kronos]

It's a choice between dumb and dumber. Which movie is which is a matter of personal choice.

For mine, Insurrection is dumb - the Federation flagship being piloted with a joystick, the stupid "humour", "goodies" too boring to care about, "baddies" too boring to function as baddies, yet another imbecilic admiral (do these people get lobotomies with their promotions?), dull-as-dishwater "love" interest for Picard. Nemesis is dumber - ridiculously stupid plot (the Romulans "somehow" got a DNA sample from Picard? And made a clone that looks nothing like him to...what, exactly?), boring fanboy action sequences, "killing" Data for no particular reason and then undoing what impact it had with the Picard-B4 (such a witty name, that, for yet another Data prototype) scene near the end, another dull villain, plot holes the Enterprise could fly through with a few parsecs of room to spare... They're both crap but for mine Nemesis is the poorer of the two - albeit not by much.

Amen.

Both of these movies are awful, debating which sucks less is no fun