Insurrection-Should Have Been A Dominion War Movie
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I'd have rather they went with the original idea for the film it was WAY better.
GemHaters
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You mean, they had another idea before Insurrection, or you preferred Insurrection?
They had an idea slighty similar to the finished product, but with some major differences that was better that I perfer to the finished film.
GemHaters
Captain
Oh, really? I did not know that. Do you know where I can read up on that?
Insurrection was what we got after Berman, Stewart and Spiner interjected their thoughts into Michael Piller's original take on Heart of Darkness.
Google The Making of Star Trek: Insurrection. It was the never published 'making of' book written by Michael Piller.
In my mind, Insurrection was the greatest missed opportunity in the history of Trek.
I don't disagree with this topic, since my feeling is basically that almost anything we could have gotten would have been preferable to ST: Insurrection. However, the idea behind it was to tone it down and lighten it up after ST: First Contact, so a Dominion War movie would have been the opposite-another big budget action movie like FC. Plus, the Trek movies are made to reach a larger audience than just the fanbase, and a movie about a storyline from a show that wasn't exactly in the top 10 for ratings might have made the movie seem too targeted toward the hard-core fans.
I've read the original idea for IX, and though it's an improvement over INS, it's still got basic flaws that are hard to overcome. I think the premise was flawed beyond repair from the beginning, they should have scrapped it altogether and gone with an entirely different plot.
I've read the original idea for IX, and though it's an improvement over INS, it's still got basic flaws that are hard to overcome. I think the premise was flawed beyond repair from the beginning, they should have scrapped it altogether and gone with an entirely different plot.
I think a movie that would've challenged the way we interpret ethics would've been great. Two sides in an ethical tug-of-war in which neither were really right or wrong would've put Insurrection into another level as far as Trek was concerned.
Actually, it was Stewart who required the movie be "lightened up".
Making the a TNG movie focused on Dominion War would've been bad on at least three levels:
1. The Dominion War was DS9's main focus, centering on it in a TNG movie would've impacted DS9's storyline.
2. Being a DS9 focus what was going on may not be knowledgeable to Trek fans familiar with TNG but not DS9.
3. The Dominion War certainly wouldn't be knowledgeable to even more casual fan or general audiences.
But, in short, the first point is the biggest one. The Dominion War was DS9's baby, no reason for TNG to do anything with it.
1. The Dominion War was DS9's main focus, centering on it in a TNG movie would've impacted DS9's storyline.
2. Being a DS9 focus what was going on may not be knowledgeable to Trek fans familiar with TNG but not DS9.
3. The Dominion War certainly wouldn't be knowledgeable to even more casual fan or general audiences.
But, in short, the first point is the biggest one. The Dominion War was DS9's baby, no reason for TNG to do anything with it.
I don't think it would've hurt to use it as a backdrop for the story your telling but you want to make sure it doesn't do anything to tie the hands of DS9 writers.
I would have just been happy with a few more tie ins with DS9, since it was happening during the tail end of the show and involved Worf. You know, just a few minor plot points regarding Wrof's progression in the series and the effects of the Dominion war. I think if they played off things like that in the movie, even in a small, background kind of way, it could have helped it. Otherwise, I like Insurrection as it is, it just needs reworking. It's probably the TNG movie I'm most happy with, even if it still has a lot of problems.
I think a story involving the Dominion in some substantial way -would- have been a good idea. "Insurrection" originally was to have featured the Romulans - who is to say it still couldn't have, but with some Dominion interference to up the stakes, demonstrate why the Federation is so desperate to stoop to such despicable actions.
Open up with a gritty, deadly and hard-won battle against the Dominion, get Worf and Dax onboard, some other DS9 cameos...
Then you have a number potential upsides: you promote an under-the-radar sister show, you offer a silver screen incentive to Terry Farrell to renew her contract, you make scenes on the idyllic Bak'u homeworld more enticing as they contrast with the reality of the war, you add some big action scenes and hopefully banish the thought of a technobabble fight with joysticks and ramscoops.
If Michael Piller had been writing a Dominion story that would have taken some bite out of the argument that this was DS9's baby and shouldn't be touched. DS9 was Piller's baby.
I was never under the delusion that DS9 would supplant TNG in theaters - the casts are of similar ages and I'm sure the TNG cast would have liked to keep coming back for as long as the Original cast had suited up. I would however have liked the cross-promotion and it really could have led to something very good - this is such a strong villain race we are talking about, and the war was a great storyline with lots of possibilities.
Ah well.
Open up with a gritty, deadly and hard-won battle against the Dominion, get Worf and Dax onboard, some other DS9 cameos...
Then you have a number potential upsides: you promote an under-the-radar sister show, you offer a silver screen incentive to Terry Farrell to renew her contract, you make scenes on the idyllic Bak'u homeworld more enticing as they contrast with the reality of the war, you add some big action scenes and hopefully banish the thought of a technobabble fight with joysticks and ramscoops.
If Michael Piller had been writing a Dominion story that would have taken some bite out of the argument that this was DS9's baby and shouldn't be touched. DS9 was Piller's baby.
I was never under the delusion that DS9 would supplant TNG in theaters - the casts are of similar ages and I'm sure the TNG cast would have liked to keep coming back for as long as the Original cast had suited up. I would however have liked the cross-promotion and it really could have led to something very good - this is such a strong villain race we are talking about, and the war was a great storyline with lots of possibilities.
Ah well.
I think everything that needed to be done with the Dominion War was done in the series. It didn't need a movie, but some connection between TNG and it would have been nice during the time.
Gotta agree with the OP, sorry. Casual moviegoers learned everything they needed about the Borg in the first 5 minutes of FC and that did just fine.
Insurrection as it was presented did a lot of damage to the franchise. It under-performed and looked very cheap. It felt like a B movie (which most Trek films were let's be honest) but this one, esp after FC was so well received, really hurt.
Insurrection as it was presented did a lot of damage to the franchise. It under-performed and looked very cheap. It felt like a B movie (which most Trek films were let's be honest) but this one, esp after FC was so well received, really hurt.
GemHaters
Captain
If that's your view on the original premise. I remember it as having the same problem INS' "dilemma" did- a lack of serious balance in the two sides perspective.
Not to mention it is presented in a boring and wholly artificial way.
