Actually, what I got from that scene was: If Marion and Indy looked into the eyes of those wraiths, they would have 'melted' as well.
The only thing that saved them...(as lampooned in Robot Chicken) was keeping their eyes closed.
Indy useless in Raiders...
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Actually, what I got from that scene was: If Marion and Indy looked into the eyes of those wraiths, they would have 'melted' as well.
The only thing that saved them...(as lampooned in Robot Chicken) was keeping their eyes closed.
Well, the legend never said the Ark couldn't be stolen. And maybe if Indy had fired his rocket, we woulda seen a sweet TNG-style bubble-field effect, protecting those around it. Who knows?Given what we've seen, that's an entirely credible piece of speculation, but it's speculation nonetheless, and it could indeed be wrong. We just don't know.
Oh, it could be wrong. But after all, the Nazis had the Ark taken away from them once, and almost lost it a second time except that Indy couldn't pull the trigger. Unbeatable?
No, WWII likely still would have happen, Hitler wasn't the first man to lead the Nazi party and would have been succeeded by one of his political lieutenants, the war still would have happened.
What you all seem to be forgetting is that it was Indy who lead the Nazi to Marian in the first place, there was a Nazi on the seaplane in San Fransisco and likely they had been following him since he left his house.
Without Indy, it's possible that the Nazi's never would have found Marian, never would have obtained the headpiece (or one side of it) and regardless of locating the map room, never located the Well of Souls.
I don't think I ever thought of the Indiana Jones movies as being smart. I just thought they were fun, and I suppose the way in which they were made fun was smart. That does take a certain amount of talent from everyone involved.
Inception didn't strike me as all that smart either. I just had a hell of a good time watching it. Fun would be the word that once again springs to mind.
Yeah, this has been remarked upon often and I do get a kick out of it - that everything ends up the same in Raiders if Indy just decides to stay home and teach his class.
You have to wonder if any of the principles involved in the making of the movie realized and or cared... It's funny to think about...
Well, Lucas does this kind of thing a lot...
http://www.cracked.com/article_18719_the-tie-fighter-pilot-who-saved-day-in-star-wars.html
The Nazi was on the same plane as Indy. Jones led the Nazis to Marion. They may have found her eventually, but Jones saved them several steps.
hmm.. that is open to conjecture i guess. No one in the nazi party had the affluence, vigor and drive that Hitler had. If there was a war it most likly would been a very short one.
Then there is the issue of Japan later on attacking america, would they have attacked Pearl Harbor if America's allies had not already been streched thin fighting in a war with Germany.
But is it not also possible the Nazis would have eventually intercepted Abner's communique about the Staff of Ra as well, forcing them to do a little research to figure out Abner's last known location, leading Toht's group to Marion's bar in Nepal?
Or, if Indy had ultimately said "screw you" to Army Intelligence and just stayed home, the Nazis may have kidnapped him to torture him for the info they needed. (Presumably they knew he was involved somehow if they had him followed to the airport; perhaps they were aware of the communique intercepted by the GIs and followed them to Jones at the university). They could have dragged him along on their quest for the Ark, much as the Russians did in Crystal Skull.
God damn it. NOW you've done it. This is exactly the excuse that Lucas and Spielberg need to force a special edition down the public's throat.
I don't think it was thinking hard. It was a friend's observation.
With all the problems of Kingdom, Indy is at least important to the story. Or "story", if you like.
I think Raiders does a good job of keeping you engaged through character and action, which is what Kingdom failed to do.
Boy, you all are treating this like some big bad secret.
I was taught this fact about Raiders in a screenwriting class. You're right...Indy fails at the task at hand pretty much every step of the way.
Thing is, that's what makes Raiders such a great film. Indy's a great Sisyphus so it can basically go on as long as you want!
Plus, it's his positive reaction to the failure that makes you like Indy. That IS the personality that you enjoy so much. If he always won you'd be watching a video game. Boring.
This is one of the key things that makes 'Raiders' a top-100 movie (of all time) while most other action movies would be scared to be in the same room with that list.
I was taught this fact about Raiders in a screenwriting class. You're right...Indy fails at the task at hand pretty much every step of the way.
Thing is, that's what makes Raiders such a great film. Indy's a great Sisyphus so it can basically go on as long as you want!
Plus, it's his positive reaction to the failure that makes you like Indy. That IS the personality that you enjoy so much. If he always won you'd be watching a video game. Boring.
This is one of the key things that makes 'Raiders' a top-100 movie (of all time) while most other action movies would be scared to be in the same room with that list.
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As that lovable drunk, Brody said, any army that carries the ark before it, is invisible!
Indy survives and because of this, he keeps the Ark from falling into the Nazis hands. He survived and made sure the government doesn't get it. Sure, the Ark would have still taken out a lot of Nazis but if they had gotten a hold of it, they still could have done a ton of damage to it. The Ark was like a WMD and I'm sure the Nazis could have found several suicide bombers to ignite it.
Plus, Indy saves Marion.
And hey, he killed a whole shitload of Nazis!
No, they were spared. They are seen as surviving. There was exactly a deleted scene featuring the actor who played Admiral Ozzel in ESB as a Nazi submarine commander. He advises the Nazi general not to kill them since they are not at war.
Plus, Indy saves Marion.
And hey, he killed a whole shitload of Nazis!
No, they were spared. They are seen as surviving. There was exactly a deleted scene featuring the actor who played Admiral Ozzel in ESB as a Nazi submarine commander. He advises the Nazi general not to kill them since they are not at war.
No, just something that's not commonly talked about.
Absolutely agree. His failures and how he reacts is great. He's a fantastic character.
It's still interesting, because his actions ARE important in Temple of Doom and Last Crusade, both would fall apart without Indiana presence. Not so with Raiders...
Is that a flaw in the plotting? I don't know. Perhaps. MORE than made up for in the characters, dialogue and action sequences. But it is interesting to think about...
His likability? Well, sure.
Marion might not have been in any danger if Indy hadn't gotten involved. She might have rolled over for the cash. Or hell, just to save her own life.
He debatably put Marion in danger, however he probably would've done it under Gestapo/SD pressure if he turned down Eaton's mission, but he also certainly protected her from certain death several times.
And the Nazi German taskforce directed by Belloq had already found the site of the Ark's resting place and since it was a military operation led by a angry, arrogant Heer officer they'd likely find the Well of the Souls sooner or later, through brute force, without the headstaff of Ra.
And the Nazi German taskforce directed by Belloq had already found the site of the Ark's resting place and since it was a military operation led by a angry, arrogant Heer officer they'd likely find the Well of the Souls sooner or later, through brute force, without the headstaff of Ra.
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