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I'm liking the show so far but...

So what do we know about the supernova? Not too much so i'm going to make some assumptions here.
First off, this point needs to be reiterated. There is a lot of assumptions in to the supernova, and we don't have all the facts. So, assuming that the Federation is simply like *shrug* at the supernova is hasty, at best.
And now i' supposed to accept that the United Federation of Planets as depicted up to this point in all shows and movies would say no to a rescue operation
Thus far, as people have pointed out, that's not what happened. A fleet was assembled, and it was attacked and destroyed. They said "No" to putting in more resources after losing so many. It has nothing to do with hate and everything to do with resource management.
 
It is as prevalent as the theme of DS9 that questions whether humanity / the Federation can uphold their ideals under pressure.

Come to think of it, it might be helpful to think of this show as a successor to DS9 rather than TNG.
 
First off, this point needs to be reiterated. There is a lot of assumptions in to the supernova, and we don't have all the facts. So, assuming that the Federation is simply like *shrug* at the supernova is hasty, at best.

Thus far, as people have pointed out, that's not what happened. A fleet was assembled, and it was attacked and destroyed. They said "No" to putting in more resources after losing so many. It has nothing to do with hate and everything to do with resource management.
There were members of the Federation who were never on-board with the rescue. The attack on Mars allowed them to get the upper hand stopping any attempt, even a half-hearted one, from continuing. In that context, it looks like the Vulcans tried one last desperate gambit to stop the coming calamity.
 
Politics makes strange bedfellows. The Romulans were a valuable ally in the face of the Dominion threat. But that doesn't rule out a return to an antagonistic relationship once the war is over. Similar things have happened in real life.

Kor
 
Politics makes strange bedfellows. The Romulans were a valuable ally in the face of the Dominion threat. But that doesn't rule out a return to an antagonistic relationship once the war is over. Similar things have happened in real life.

Kor
Even Ross regarded the Romulans with suspicion during the war effort.
 
Why? All the plot elements are coming from TNG.
Yep, after end of DS9, outside of Worf, how many times has DS9 been mentioned, or even hinted at that it was still around? I can count on one hand and have most of my fingers not used. DS9 does not/will not get any love from producers, ever.
 
Yep, after end of DS9, outside of Worf, how many times has DS9 been mentioned, or even hinted at that it was still around? I can count on one hand and have most of my fingers not used. DS9 does not/will not get any love from producers, ever.
The Berman era is over, though
 
For better or worse, TNG still has a much more prominent place in the public consciousness than DS9 when it comes to the Trek franchise.

Kor
 
I am not much of a fan of this cynic despiction of the Federation and Starfleet either. I prefer a more optimistic and brighter portrayal of the future.
I don't see it as cynical. I see it as an effort to present challenges to future humanity. Challenges that, largely, humanity has faced again and again throughout its history. Optimism comes from the belief that one can rise above those challenges and be successful in defeating them, not that challenges will never occur.
 
For better or worse, TNG still has a much more prominent place in the public consciousness than DS9 when it comes to the Trek franchise.

Kor
Not surprising at all. DS9 is bizarrely overapprecited here.
 
Not surprising at all. DS9 is bizarrely overapprecited here.
Different strokes, different folks. Each series has its strengths and weaknesses.

DS9 is enjoyable for the characters, though some I could leave behind, and portraying less than perfect humans. Something more relatable at times.

TNG did well with high concepts and extremely alien situations at times, but I didn't connect with the characters as well (trying, for the fourth time right now). It's all in what you want from Trek.
 
I don't see it as cynical. I see it as an effort to present challenges to future humanity. Challenges that, largely, humanity has faced again and again throughout its history. Optimism comes from the belief that one can rise above those challenges and be successful in defeating them, not that challenges will never occur.

But they didn't rise to a challenge in this case. They let all the Romulans die although Picard and Musiker came up with an alternative plan to rescue a lot of them.
 
But they didn't rise to a challenge in this case. They let all the Romulans die although Picard and Musiker came up with an alternative plan to rescue a lot of them.
Indeed, yes. Failure is also apart of the human experience. How it is handled is always the question. If they handled it poorly then that gives us, the audience, an opportunity to discuss it.
 
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