I'm liking the show so far but...

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  1. Longinus

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    And those bad decisions are vindicated as they lead to the desired outcome.
     
  2. Bad Thoughts

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    Payback can be a bitch. The Romulans killed an entire Starfleet crew, and the lost a senator. I call that a bargain.
     
  3. BillJ

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    Were they bad decisions and were the decisions truly amoral? I would think not using every tool at your disposal to save lives and possibly end fighting earlier is also an amoral state of being.

    Could I pull the trigger on such a plan that essentially sentences four or five people (we also have to remember Vreenak's pilot and guards) to death to possibly save thousands or millions? I don't know? Luckily, I will never be in a position to have to make that kind of choice.

    From where I'm sitting, it is math.
     
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    I always love how Star Trek having a certain outcome indicates the moral rightness of the character's decision.
     
  5. Longinus

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    Yeah, that's fucked up logic.
     
  6. Bad Thoughts

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    There were many issues being addressed by the episode, making it difficult to encapsulate them all. I believe that a major part of the episode is how the interests of the state can complicate one's moral code.
     
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  7. Bad Thoughts

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    Hey, if you want to nitpick, why not go all the way?
     
  8. BillJ

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    I think Sisko, even unknowingly, qualifies as an accessory to murder. I also think when called on it, he would admit to it.
     
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    I think that's more the point. I don't think it is meant to have that clear answer, and its nebulousness is why we are still taking about it 20 years hence.

    I would completely agree.
     
  10. BillJ

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    Morals of the whole don't always match the morals of the individual?
     
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    More like raison d'état does not match up with individual morality. The state will, and often does, things it denies its citizens.
     
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  12. saladdays

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    The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few....or something something.
     
  13. fireproof78

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    I like "In the Pale Moonlight", it's my favorite episode of DS9, but it's as far from a morality play as you can get.

    But someone torn up over pragmatism? Yeah, I can see that.
     
  15. fireproof78

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    Yes, and I would prefer that. I have plenty of other places to get my moral lessons. A TV show isn't my go to.
     
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    That's because they weren't bad.