No. But it'll be a truly sad comment on how low the franchise has sunk. This film is certainly one of the worst things ever to come out of the franchise.If it isn't, that would really burn you, wouldn't it?
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I still haven't seen ST 2009...and doesn't look like I will...but my point all along was how would producers, directors use the original scripts to make TOS today with no influence from the actual series or Trek there after.
People mention BSG??? I don't think TOS source material would even come close to something as similar to BSG or nuBSG...I think it would still be rather unique. JMHO.
People mention BSG??? I don't think TOS source material would even come close to something as similar to BSG or nuBSG...I think it would still be rather unique. JMHO.
The OP question is based on the idea "what if TOS was made today without there ever having been a TOS before?" At least that's how I interpret the question. Well, it likely wouldn't be anything like the Star Trek we're familiar with. That's not saying it would be good or bad because there is simply no way to know. Nothing exists in a vacuum and a lot of distinctive influences went into TOS and helped shaped it into what we got. If TOS never existed then a new Trek today would have a very different set of influences affecting it.I still haven't seen ST 2009...and doesn't look like I will...but my point all along was how would producers, directors use the original scripts to make TOS today with no influence from the actual series or Trek there after.
People mention BSG??? I don't think TOS source material would even come close to something as similar to BSG or nuBSG...I think it would still be rather unique. JMHO.
Note: I also almost didn't see ST09, but in the end I endured it because only then could I assess it from first hand observation.
That's quite noble.
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Jetfire
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To be fair...I haven't seen it because I just haven't had the extra money to buy the DVD and can't seem to find a place online to watch it within reason...I am sure after the second JJ movie...I will see it.
To be fair...I haven't seen it because I just haven't had the extra money to buy the DVD and can't seem to find a place online to watch it within reason...I am sure after the second JJ movie...I will see it.
Don't you know anyone you can borrow it from?^
To be fair...I haven't seen it because I just haven't had the extra money to buy the DVD and can't seem to find a place online to watch it within reason...I am sure after the second JJ movie...I will see it.
I also read political commentary I suspect I'll be inclined to disagree with, but then I have a clearer idea of what is being said and understanding it.
As I learned more and more about the film before it debuted I felt inclined to dislike their approach. In the end, though, I couldn't make a genuine assessment of it until I saw it with my own eyes. Note that it's happened before that I've been pleasantly surprised by films I thought I likely wouldn't favour and I've been disappointed with films I thought I would like. In this case the final result was worse than I thought it might be.
But it isn't really surprising. For the longest time I've been generally disappointed with the direction the franchise was going. Before I could only imagine a contemporary take on TOS with the last handful of films and series as a barometer. And so in a way ST09 is a logical result of how the franchise has been evolving.
Oh, and in case anyone assumes otherwise this is my opinion.
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To be fair...I haven't seen it because I just haven't had the extra money to buy the DVD and can't seem to find a place online to watch it within reason...I am sure after the second JJ movie...I will see it.
Don't you know anyone you can borrow it from?
No.
Star Trek was a show that ranged from silly camp to great drama. It had three low-rated seasons, and almost all agree it declined in quality from season 1 to 3. It experienced a resurgence in reruns, movies, and spinoffs. It has many fans who grew up with the show. But it's not the end-all of television. Each of the spinoffs have just as many rabid fans, even subpar Voyager. 
Trying to preach the gospel of TOS as the only series worth anything with religious fervor is a waste of time.
The original series will always have a special place in my heart since it was my introduction to Star Trek. But I have since found DS9 and, to a lesser extent, DS9, to be superior - in my opinion. (We all have them.)
If the original series was made today, without 43 years of Trek having come before, then perhaps it would have more explosions, more scantily-clad aliens, less high drama. But then again, it might have some good stuff too. I think it's silly to say that Balance of Terror, The City on the Edge of Forever, and Devil in the Dark were the highest heights of Trek, never to be equaled. I believe modern Trek has equaled the best of TOS in an some cases, surpassed it. What parent does not want his child to achieve greater heights? Sure, for every In the Pale Moonlight we have Let He Who is Without Sin. But for every The Doomsday Machine, we have The Way to Eden. The original series was no stranger to camp, cheese, scantily-clad ratings boosters, and sometimes terrible writing.
The original series was never perfect, but like a first love, there will never be another like it. Yet the other shows are good too, in their own ways. If the original series was made today, for the first time, it could be really terrible, a single-season flash in the pan that's forgotten before summer. But maybe it would be good, and lasting, and inspirational. We'll never know.
Even if you hate JJ's movie, you have to admit it can help people appreciate the original series, people who may never have given such a dated, cheesy show a second thought. (I mean that quite affectionately.) Like Braveheart, for all its historical inaccuracies might lead folks to learn about the real history of Scotland, so might Abrams' Trek lead people to experience Gene Roddenberry's Trek for the first time.
In the end, it's a big universe. If you like it, watch it. If you don't, change the channel.
Trying to preach the gospel of TOS as the only series worth anything with religious fervor is a waste of time. The original series will always have a special place in my heart since it was my introduction to Star Trek. But I have since found DS9 and, to a lesser extent, DS9, to be superior - in my opinion. (We all have them.)
If the original series was made today, without 43 years of Trek having come before, then perhaps it would have more explosions, more scantily-clad aliens, less high drama. But then again, it might have some good stuff too. I think it's silly to say that Balance of Terror, The City on the Edge of Forever, and Devil in the Dark were the highest heights of Trek, never to be equaled. I believe modern Trek has equaled the best of TOS in an some cases, surpassed it. What parent does not want his child to achieve greater heights? Sure, for every In the Pale Moonlight we have Let He Who is Without Sin. But for every The Doomsday Machine, we have The Way to Eden. The original series was no stranger to camp, cheese, scantily-clad ratings boosters, and sometimes terrible writing.
The original series was never perfect, but like a first love, there will never be another like it. Yet the other shows are good too, in their own ways. If the original series was made today, for the first time, it could be really terrible, a single-season flash in the pan that's forgotten before summer. But maybe it would be good, and lasting, and inspirational. We'll never know.
Even if you hate JJ's movie, you have to admit it can help people appreciate the original series, people who may never have given such a dated, cheesy show a second thought. (I mean that quite affectionately.) Like Braveheart, for all its historical inaccuracies might lead folks to learn about the real history of Scotland, so might Abrams' Trek lead people to experience Gene Roddenberry's Trek for the first time.
In the end, it's a big universe. If you like it, watch it. If you don't, change the channel.
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To be fair...I haven't seen it because I just haven't had the extra money to buy the DVD and can't seem to find a place online to watch it within reason...I am sure after the second JJ movie...I will see it.
Don't you know anyone you can borrow it from?
No.
Can you not afford $1 to rent it from a redbox/blockbuster kiosk?
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Jetfire
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To be honest I am not really in a hurry to see it. I will see it when it is time for me to do so. 
I will see it when it is time for me to do so.
To be honest I am not really in a hurry to see it.
That makes more sense. Fair enough.
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Jetfire
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I really think a TNG-DS9-VOY-ENT movie should have been made before a reboot of the franchise...don't ask me how a TNG-DS9-VOY-ENT would work. But that is a topic for a thread in some other forum.
But that is a topic for a thread in some other forum. I would have welcomed a TNG/DS9/VOY movie. Fans of those shows must feel disenfranchised...
Refusing to hold it up as some kind of high watermark of television never before attained or after repeated does not equate to having a "low opinion" of it.
It's good. It's also 40 years old, and isn't in any way special.
The new movie is good, too. It also isn't special. Does me liking it require that I be sitting here in 40 years defending its artistic integrity in the face of a newer product?
Nah. Things change. Have done, will do, and at the end of the day... it's just entertainment. It will survive without me spending half of my lfie beating a drum on its behalf.
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Well said.
If TOS was made today, excatly what would I be comparing it to, assuming no ENT, TNG, DS9, VOY? Star Wars, B5?
I wouldn't say disenfranchised. But I would say we want more. It'll either happen, or it won't.
No. But it'll be a truly sad comment on how low the franchise has sunk. This film is certainly one of the worst things ever to come out of the franchise.If it isn't, that would really burn you, wouldn't it?
Of course. because it it does last its not an indication that you were wrong, but that everyone else still is. Nice.
I predict that this thread will not age well, and will not be nearly as relevant ten years from now as "Facts about Captain Robau."
Well yeah Captain Robau can never be irrelevant, that is unless he chooses so.
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