If they had any bells...

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by TheWelshPirate, Feb 14, 2014.

  1. The Wormhole

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    But then, Picard is something of a celebrity among Starfleet officers and well known among other Alpha Quadrant powers that asking for him specifically still wouldn't set off too many alarms.

    But yeah, I get your point, it would have made a lot more sense than burying pieces of an android in an alien desert to lure the Enterprise to the area so they could be the closest ship in range. Just imagine if another ship had detected the positronic readings and its crew were like "Hey, that Mr. Data on the Enterprise would totally owe us if this led to something significant. Let's check this out." And meanwhile, Shinzon would be sitting on the bridge of the Scimitar observing this and be like "Fuck!" And the Viceroy would be like "why didn't we just take this ship with an undetectable cloak to Earth when we knew Picard would be there, beam him aboard and set off our doomsday weapon?"

    Ah, Nemesis. Fun movie, just don't think about it too much.
     
  2. Dukhat

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    Ah yes, reason #642 as to why Nemesis sucks :p
     
  3. Belz...

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    Correction: they used to be hilarious. ;)
     
  4. anh165

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    Dr Evil-cough-I-mean-Shinzon would have told his viceroy to zip it.
     
  5. Richard Baker

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    It seems to me that the 'exploration' of Nibiru in ST-ID was almost needless- they were there to fix the volcano. Still cannot get over the idea of hiding the ship just off shore was just to make a dramatic reveal at the beginning of the movie- if you were trying to study a planet and it's civilization why risk such cultural contamination for no point?

    I too am tired of the bad guy super ships against Earth- they did set the stage for an interesting exploration theme for the third movie, I just hope they have the 'balls' this time to follow through with it and have the Enterprise visit something interesting and not rehash the David vs Goliath plots that dominate the franchise, reboot or not...
     
  6. The Stig

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    The Enterprise wasn't dispatched to Nibiru to 'fix' the volcano, they were on a survey mission and decided to stop the eruption in order to preserve the local population. As for hiding the Enterprise in the ocean, it's implied that the planet had some sort of transporter-inhibiting properties that necessitated close observation.

    Also, it was goddamn cool and served a story purpose: it depicted a reckless Captain Kirk who was convinced that his luck was actually skill.

    I loved the cold open. It was the first time, ever, that we saw the crew of the Enterprise doing their regular jobs on the big screen without a galaxy-ending crisis hanging over their heads. I hope we see more in the next film.
     
  7. The Wormhole

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    Dude, the third movie will totally be about the Borg.
     
  8. bbjeg

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    ^I hope not. I want them to do something more original than what TNG already did.
     
  9. CorporalClegg

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    Further correction: they were never hilarious.
     
  10. Maurice

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    You were expecting a fan film then. That would make no sense to a general audience.
     
  11. TheWelshPirate

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    Would you say that is more or less like a fan-film than re-making an entire scene from TWoK almost word-for-word? I'm going to go with "more", because I think most fans would be smart enough not to just straight up plagiarize TWoK.
     
  12. CorporalCaptain

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    "Plagiarize" has a specific meaning, and the writers of STID didn't plagiarize TWOK.
     
  13. CorporalClegg

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    TWOK was never plagiarized.
     
  14. CorporalCaptain

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    I was CC'd. ;)
     
  15. CorporalClegg

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    Careful. Someone might accuse me of being your dual again.
     
  16. Brutal Strudel

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    It would never happen, but what if they made a Trek movie that was like an anthology--maybe three, unrelated adventures of foty-fifty minutes each and each set off by a "Captain's Log" voiceover or two big adventures of forty or fifty minutes and two or hree mini-adventures, like Niburu?
     
  17. Brutal Strudel

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    Oh, and considering the significance of Picard in re-establishing contact with Romulus after sixty years of silence, in stabilizing the Klingon Empire when the Romulans were actively trying to de-stabilize it--first through Duras, then through his sisters and son--and in thwarting the Romulan invasion of Vulcan, Shinzon could have easily played off requesting Picard specifically as a symbolic good will gesture, China extending an invite to Nixon--no hard feelings and a new regime mens a new relationship. He could have presented B-4 as a gift at the diplomatic reception.
     
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  18. The Wormhole

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    Most people wanted STID to be more original than a TWOK knock-off, but then we got Khan as the villain because Hollywood suits feel that's what we wanted. Those same Suits probably think the Borg are what we want, especially since Zombies Are Cool.
     
  19. The Stig

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    Man, how fun would that be! :D But you're right, as a film, it would never happen.

    That's my hope for the (eventual) series, actually. A few solid years of high-production-values Trek filled with adventure and excitement. Kirk and Spock, exploring the cosmos, saving planets and generally ignoring the Prime Directive. In short, a straight-ahead remake of TOS in the vein of the new films.

    These little bon-mots are fun, but hardly representative of the actual process. Orci and Kurtzman wanted Khan from the very beginning and I've never seen them in a suit. Additionally, no matter how many times its stated, STiD was no TWoK 'knockoff.' If anything, it was a remake of 'Space Seed,' but only a little. In actuality, it was the first Trek film to successfully marry a relevant current-day topic to a thrilling action-adventure story.

    A case could be made for TUC, but it was far more ham-fisted in its references than STiD.
     
  20. B.J.

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    Wait, who changed the name of the thread?!? :guffaw: